Instructional material for U-12

William Peters · From: Effort, Pennsylvania, USA

I have had my Mullen U-12 for 3 weeks now, and have be learning a new copedant. Now, I would like to get some instructional material to help me learn the b6 side. Does anyone have suggestions for instructional material? I have no C6 background, only E9.

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Bill

http://www.wgpeters.com
Mullen RP U-12, Cougar SD-10, PV-260, Tubefex, PV TNT-115, Gibson SG, Squier P-Bass, Berhinger V-amp Pro

mickd · From: london,england

Bill
I can recommend the Jeff Newman 'Universal' course. Its a bit of a misleading name really, though, since its really an intro to C6th (just that its tabbed for 12 strings). It comes with a great play-along tape.

Also, the Herby Wallace courses are good.

Once you get used to the tab translation rules from C6 to U12, you can use any C6th stuff - with the advantage that you can accomodate a top D or a top G.
Mick

Pete Burak · From: Portland, OR USA

Bill,
I wish I could come over for a one-on-one S12U session, then we could head over for Apple Dumplin's!...

But, as the poster above said, Jeff Newman has The E9th/B6th Universal Course http://www.jeffran.com/courses/audio/audio.htm

Also at: http://www.jeffran.com/courses/video/video.htm
The 12 String E9th/B6th Universal Tuning Video

I also highly reccomend C6th & Swinging once you get farther along.

Joe Wright has some B6th vids also.

[This message was edited by Pete Burak on 07 August 2004 at 09:37 AM.]

C Dixon · From: Duluth, GA USA

William,

I agree with the others totally. One thing also to keep in mind is the following,

The universal is still:

1. Pure E9th if you physically raise the 9th string to a D; and mentally use the 9th string as the 10th string when it is not raised.

2. Pure C6 (one fret higher always) if you engage the E to Eb lever and physically never pick string 3. And no need to pick string 2 UNLESS you lower it to a C# with the E to Eb lever. Which Jeff Newman did and more and more others are doing.

Now, armed with these to realities, you can sit at your universal 12 and play ANY thing you see on a staight E9th course or straight C6 course (one fret higher). With few exceptions:

1. If the course uses the lowering of string 10 to a Bb (E9th) you will have to get that lower some other way.

2. If the course uses the pedal 4 on the standard C6 (very rare) you may have to get this change some other way if your U-12 does not contain that pedal. A number of them don't.

Outside this and possibly one or more of the PF changes, you should have little difficulty using standard E9th or C6th courses to learn the Universal.

Now having said all of this. Once you get proficient using these courses to play in the "country E9th" mode versus the "Jazzy B6th" mode, you will discover how quickly the two tunings meld into one.

And when this happens, and it will; you will be able to play songs that are NOT tabbed out on either course. And that is the best of all worlds.

May Jesus bless you in your quests,

carl

William Peters · From: Effort, Pennsylvania, USA

Pete:

Apple dumplings sound good. I'll eat one tonight and think of you

I should have thought of Joe Wright, I bought some of his vids before, and they are excellent.

Mick:

I'll check out Jeff's course. My guitar has the second string lower, so yes, I will have both the D and G on top.

Carl:

Yeah, I don't have pedal 4. I have ABC8567 So why is 8 beside C anyway?

I caught on real quick to the fact that it was still E9, just had to get used to having E lower on RKL instead of LKR, and I'm really digging the extra bass notes. I don't have the 9th string lower to Bb. I have string 5 B to Bb on LKV. Looks like I could easily add that.

Thanks guys,

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Bill

http://www.wgpeters.com
Mullen RP U-12, Cougar SD-10, PV-260, Tubefex, PV TNT-115, Gibson SG, Squier P-Bass, Berhinger V-amp Pro

C Dixon · From: Duluth, GA USA

Jim Smith · From: Midlothian, TX, USA

I think Curly Chalker had his 5&8 pedals together, which gave me the idea to do the same 30+ years ago. At the time it worked great having the 1&4 chords next to each other. Now that I'm finally trying to dig a little deeper into the tuning, sometimes I wish I hadn't done it.

Ad Kersten · From: Beek en Donk, The Netherlands

Carl,

I am with Jim. I also have pedal 8 and 5 next to each other and no 4th (how could it be otherwise, since I bought my Zum S-U12 from Jeff Newman). I think it is a good choice, since you can easily alternate between I9th - IV 9th, giving you great funky rhythm chops and stuff.

Ad
(edited U12 to S-U12 for Roger

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[This message was edited by Ad Kersten on 07 August 2004 at 01:57 PM.]

William Peters · From: Effort, Pennsylvania, USA

Ok guys,

I ordered Jeff Newman's Universal course and his C6 course. That oughta keep me busy for a while.

BIll

C Dixon · From: Duluth, GA USA

Ad,

You gave of course THE reason Jeff was so high on doing it. Yet there are many others including I, that have no difficulty "dancing the pedals". If my memory serves me correctly, another Universal player said they also had no difficulty jumping from pedal 5 to 8 and back.

Concerning CC, I saw him one time while he was still with Hank Thompson. He had an 11 Pedal Fender 1000 using two Bassman amps and a Fender volume pedal. No knee levers.

I saw him do something all during that show that to this day I have only seen one other player do. And that is, his left foot danced all over the pedals left to right; right to left and in between and back. With the Exception of Julian Tharpe, I have never seen any other player that could dazzle us with footwork like that.

It appeared CC only had two of the pedals on his other neck. That meant 9 pedals he danced all night with. Simply incredible. I can still see it as I type. What a player!

I suppose maybe that was the inspiration for me to learn to do it. Albeit, I only have 4 pedals on the B6 mode of my universal.

carl

Charles Turpin · From: Mexico, Missouri, USA

I don't have any problem with my 8th pedal away from my 6th. I only have 4 pedals on my B6th side to. But you got to figure you got the other 3 if you need them and want to play the whole guitar. Just the 4 are hooked up for the B6th intervals which are the same as the C6th ones. And besides I like Buddy Emmons style of playing and i figure if it is good enough for Buddy it is good enough for me. hehehehehe. Besides this hill billy might want to play a Buddy emmons lick or two. Buddy probably don't want to play mine.

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