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Topic: Fender Mustang V for steel guitar? |
Damir Besic
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Posted 15 Jun 2015 9:22 pm |
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any thoughts on this? I have a feeling it may be a good match for my JCH
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Tim Whitlock
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Posted 16 Jun 2015 8:12 am
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I've been using a Mustang III for almost two years as an affordable, powerful (100 watts), lightweight alternative to my Twin Reverb and Standel Artist. I can't say it sounds better than my vintage amps but it sounds very good. 99.9% of your audience would never be able to tell the difference.
The 100 factory presets are overloaded with reverb, delay and other effects. You must ignore them and create your own patches from the basic amp models. The Mustang is infinitely configurable and with a little practice you can get up to speed with changing settings on the fly. Do you need a 4x12? If not you might look at a Mustang III or IV. I have used my III successfully on all kinds of stages large and small. Lastly - make sure you get the V2 (Version 2). The V1s have the infamous "fizz" defect. |
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Damir Besic
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Nashville,TN.
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Posted 16 Jun 2015 8:45 am
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Tim, I just bought it, I was thinking about buying 4x12 that is made for it, but I have a speaker cabinet with 15" speaker, was wondering if I can just use that or do I have to buy 4x12 cabinet?
thanks bud
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Les Cargill
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Oklahoma City, Ok, USA
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Posted 16 Jun 2015 1:06 pm
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Damir, I have a Fender Super Champ X2 which allegedly has the same preamp/modeller. It sounds great through whatever 15" comes with a Quilter Steelaire ( possibly something like an EPS15C ).
The X2 does have a 2X6V6-plus-12AX7 power section/buffer/PI but they run those very clean. The "tone" comes from the modeller.
You may prefer a 4X12 but I'd at least try the 15" first. |
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Damir Besic
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Nashville,TN.
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Posted 16 Jun 2015 3:58 pm
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thanks Les, it should be here in a few days, I have read some reviews and they are all great, powerful amp with a crystal clear and clean tone, and some cool effects already in the amp... sounds like something I would like...I just wasn't sure if 15" speaker would be compatible with the amp...you know all that ohm and all other stuff I know nothing about lol
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Richard Wilhelm
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Posted 16 Jun 2015 5:24 pm
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You can easily download the manual. It states it has (2)75w 8ohm channels. And both 'must' be connected to a stereo cabinet such as their Mustange V 4x12 cabinet (which I know is a closed back) or it says to (2) 75w minimum, 8 ohm speakers. I'm not sure if you could have a 12" and 15" speakers from the 2 channels and havimg them voiced correctly (volume) without addimg some mombo jumbo to one of the speakers. I'm pretty sure (but not positive) you can't adjust the volumes seperately in the amp. Could somebody else advise on the benefits of having a 12" and a 15" and how it could be accomplished in this situation. I think that the Mustangs series is an outstanding product. Also with 2 speaker cabinets, one could be closed back and one open; could be an advantage.
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Damir Besic
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Nashville,TN.
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Posted 16 Jun 2015 5:28 pm
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so, I can't connect this head to my cabinet with 15" Eminence Neo speaker?
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Richard Wilhelm
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Ventura County, California
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Posted 16 Jun 2015 6:18 pm
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The manual says that outputs are 75w 8 ohm minimum (solid state). Can Damir hook up his 15" Eminance neo (4ohm?) to one of the channels?
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Les Cargill
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Oklahoma City, Ok, USA
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Posted 16 Jun 2015 8:02 pm
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Ask Fender support for a definitive answer.
Someone claiming to be Fender Staff says you can use the left output without using the right, but please verify this with Fender support.
http://forums.fender.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=53395 |
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Damir Besic
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Nashville,TN.
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Posted 16 Jun 2015 8:11 pm
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ok, thanks, it looks like there shouldn't be a problem, as long as I stay at 8ohm load, and I believe my Eminence Neo 15" is 8ohm ... I would like to keep my box with single 15" , but if I have to, i will get Fenders 4x12
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Richard Wilhelm
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Ventura County, California
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Posted 16 Jun 2015 8:11 pm
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I looked for the answer on this forum and other places and where it says minimum means minimum or higher. Assuming you can return the Mustange; you still might want to keep it, but a 4 ohm speaker seems out of the picture. The Mustange series offers imfinite possibilities. but you want to be sure that you like the 4X12 closed back cabinet before you buy that. I like an open back 212 myself, though I don't play C6.
The most economical route would be to return it for the Mustange 4 though when I tested the Mustange 3 the 100W which has a single 12" Celestian speaker was impressively load. Could not believe it wasn't a nice tube amp. And that was for $329. Also you can run one channel with the other side empty and not hurt the amp, unlike a tube amp.
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"If you know music, you°ll know most everything you°ll need to know" Edgar Cayce
"You're only young forever" Harpo Marx
Fender 400, Fender FM212, G&L ASAT.
Was part of a hippie-Christian store in Cotati, California (circa 1976) called THE EYE OF THE RAINBOW. May God love you. |
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Damir Besic
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Nashville,TN.
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Posted 16 Jun 2015 8:19 pm
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Richard, I watched some YouTube demo videos with 4x12 and loved the clean powerful tone they have, only reason why I would like to keep my box is because it's little smaller... but if I buy 4x12 I will just sell my box with 15" speaker I guess ...
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Les Cargill
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Oklahoma City, Ok, USA
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Posted 17 Jun 2015 4:27 am
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| Damir Besic wrote: |
| ok, thanks, it looks like there shouldn't be a problem, as long as I stay at 8ohm load, and I believe my Eminence Neo 15" is 8ohm ... I would like to keep my box with single 15" , but if I have to, i will get Fenders 4x12 |
I'd exchange email with Fender support before deciding.
A solid-state amp should be able to be run with no load, but ask first.
If the right hand side amp must have a load, there are "8 ohm dummy loads" available. Parts Express has Part # 019-020 - may require a little soldering. It's like $15. It may get warm - think of how warm a 100 watt light bulb gets.
Also, I had a Super Champ XD and it got hot and died. I would not consider the Mustangs to be professional grade tools capable of being used in any context. |
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Damir Besic
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Nashville,TN.
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Posted 17 Jun 2015 4:40 am
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ok, thanks for all the help guys, I am waiting on the amp right now, and I will let you know how it goes..I will hook it up with my 1x15" cab and Eminence Neo speaker, and if that doesn't work, will get Fender Mustang 4x12" cab...
thanks
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Jim Sliff
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Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 17 Jun 2015 12:23 pm
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FWIW I've been inside a few and the build quality is typical of that of a budget amp. Lightweight chassis, boards, ribbon cables, inexpensive connectors and very inexpensive components.
It's a budget amp marketed to the beginning/intermediate player who rarely gigs. No the robust quality of a professional amp. they don't sound bad, but there's nothing distinctive about them. Just wanted to note this in case you were looking for a regular gigging amp - if so, I'd look at their better lines. It's a home use/sporadic gig/jam amp.
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Damir Besic
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Nashville,TN.
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Posted 17 Jun 2015 1:27 pm
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I'm not interested in overpriced amps, so far what I heard from this Fender is nothing but good, sounds good, looks good and its priced more then fair...only thing is I haven't heard it with steel guitar...and I will know if I want to use it with my steel once I have a chance to play through it... some people buy $8000 Franklin guitar, and play it through $3500 Little Walter, and still can't come close to Buddy's tone he gets with his little MCI and 400 dollars Peavey amp...I have my little Webb 6-14E for fancy gigs lol...but that's as fancy as I'll get...
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Daniel Policarpo
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Posted 18 Jun 2015 3:09 am
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I really like the Fender Mustangs! The flexibility posed by the features working through recording, bandstand, and practice settings makes it a great tool meeting the demands of players from all skill levels.
This amp has not been marketed to steel players, but it sounds great with steel! Check out the warmth and quality of sound presented by Lynn Fargo (aka SteelgirlUSA ) on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWYdWrukrG8
I just got a computer with decent video/sound recording last night and I'll also try to add one today demonstrating the fine Mustang-Steel mix.
Hope you can hook it up to your 15" cab, Damir. I'd really be interested in hearing the Mustang V and JCH pushing that Emi Neo! |
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steve takacs
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beijing, china via pittsburgh (deceased)
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Posted 18 Jun 2015 3:21 am
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Right on, Damir!
I understand what Jim is saying about reliability and sound but many of us are perfectly happy with Peavey or some other cheaper but dependable amps. I've used my three Peaveys for a few decades without problems and am also quite happy with my Roland Cube 80XL.
We may not gig often and even those of us who do are happy with the cost for sound trade-off.
Personally, I know I'm a very average player at best and most of my amps suit me just fine. I must admit to owning a Fox Vintage amp though.  stevet |
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Damir Besic
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Nashville,TN.
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Posted 18 Jun 2015 5:29 am
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Daniel, I have a feeling that it will sound great, for whatever reason, but I may be wrong...I'll let you know my friend
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Damir Besic
From:
Nashville,TN.
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Posted 18 Jun 2015 5:36 am
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Steve, Jim is absolutely right, and I agree with everything he said, but I am just not that caliber of the player, nor I work master sessions on Music Row, or play on CMA stages... if I did, I would justify buying $3000 amp just for my own amusement, but for my mediocre playing, at the local dives, and at the house, I really don't see spending that kind of money... this amp is brand new, and will fit on top of my 15" cabinet with Eminence Neo speaker, it should sound great... however, I just bought a reckoned and refurbished vintage EV SRO 15" speaker that will go in to my Webb 614, and if I'm happy with the tone I may decide to sell Mustang and cabinet with Eminence... I don't really need to amps... we'll see ...
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Tim Whitlock
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Colorado, USA
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Posted 18 Jun 2015 12:40 pm
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| At least you will be able to A/B it with your Webb, in order to make an informed decision with your own ears Damir. I think you will be surprised! |
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Damir Besic
From:
Nashville,TN.
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Posted 18 Jun 2015 12:53 pm
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Tim, I don't need two amps, so I will probably sell one, either Webb or a Mustang...I will know in a day or two...
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Philip Mitrakos
From:
The Beach South East Florida
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Posted 18 Jun 2015 1:17 pm
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The mustang 3 works pretty good
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James Quackenbush
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Pomona, New York, USA
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Posted 18 Jun 2015 1:37 pm
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Damir,
I asked the question a while back to the Fender forum and they basically said that you can run the amp with no load and use headphones to listen to whatever you have plugged into the amp ....If you are going to be using speakers , you must use 2-8 ohm speakers in the included output jacks .... If you have an 8ohm load on one of the jacks, and nothing on the other, you will blow the channel .... BOTH outputs must have a speaker load of 8 ohms or higher (16 ohm each ) .... When you consider the price you paid for the amp , you can rest assure that these amps are not built extremely robustly .... If you want to keep this amp working , get yourself 2-8 ohm speaker cabs ..... Or one speaker cab with 2- 8 ohm speakers and separate jacks for each speaker ....I run a 2-12 cab with mine and can use it for pedal steel or for guitar depending on which programs I use .....Hope this helps ....Jim |
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Damir Besic
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Nashville,TN.
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Posted 18 Jun 2015 2:56 pm
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yes, I just got off the phone with Fender support , and they told me it has to be used with 2 speakers (or 4) ... so sadly , this is now for sale... 
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