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Tommy Boswell
From:
Virginia, USA
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Posted 23 Apr 2016 6:29 am |
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| How many of you use a delay pedal only, with settings that give a reverb-like effect? With a short time setting and feedback setting to control the length of the tail? For pedal steel. |
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 23 Apr 2016 7:26 am
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| You need both. Reverb and a little bit of slap-back delay. |
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Tim Marcus
From:
San Francisco, CA
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Posted 23 Apr 2016 7:43 am
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You can get a really vibey sound with your amp reverb turned off, and a delay pedal set to just one repeat. The steel sits up front, yet still does that psycho-acoustic space thing that reverb adds. Only catch is that you have to play in tune 
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 23 Apr 2016 8:01 am
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| Erv Niehaus wrote: |
| You need both. Reverb and a little bit of slap-back delay. |
I think I do OK with half of what I need.
If I had to use slapback, I'd sell all this stuff because I'd have no use for sounding like that.
I played a few gigs with house sound where the knob jockey (can't call him an engineer or a sound man) added slapback to my sound. Spent the first half of the night laying out except when absolutely necessary. Just let the fiddle player have all my fills.
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Larry Robbins
From:
Fort Edward, New York
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Posted 23 Apr 2016 8:40 am
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I like just a touch of slapback. The point where you can just barley hear it. Then I like to add a bit of reverb. To my ears it warms up the slapback just a bit and the two seam to compliment each other and give my sound just a tad more sustain. To each his own of course.
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 23 Apr 2016 8:53 am
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Larry,
You've got it right! 
Maybe we should start bashing the Big E also, he was always fooling with a Boss delay when he played, but then, what did he know?  |
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Jerry Overstreet
From:
Louisville Ky
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Posted 23 Apr 2016 9:14 am
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In a Stereo Steel rig I had, I used a Chandler SDE echo machine on one side and just dry on the second side. No reverb or other effects. I've got a CD of a steel club show I did with it and I still can't believe how great it sounded. It's stereo mind you, but you would never guess it's without reverb.
As a general rule though, and with all other gear I've owned, I'm unhappy without a little bit of reverb shimmer.
Everything is relative to use and settings. It can sound good or it can sound terrible. It's all up to the user.
Try it, you might like it.  |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 23 Apr 2016 9:30 am
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I must have reverb. I don't use a lot of it, but it's necessary for the tone I like. When I use delay/echo, it's for effect. My reverb is always on, at least a little bit. I turn it up for slow songs.
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Earnest Bovine
From:
Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 23 Apr 2016 9:35 am
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| My reverb is always on, ... I turn it up for slow songs. |
Do you turn it back down for fast songs? |
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Jack Stoner
From:
Kansas City, MO
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Posted 23 Apr 2016 9:39 am
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I use reverb and delay, although not much of either. I use the spring reverb and digital delay modeling in my POD X3.
Our band leader swears by delay (not a lot) rather than reverb on the P.A. We use a Peavey 8600 P.A. head and he sets it to delay. He says that is what they used on the P.A. system in a big venue (Park) that he used to work as sound system assistant. |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 23 Apr 2016 10:07 am
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| My reverb is always on, ... I turn it up for slow songs. |
| Earnest Bovine wrote: |
Do you turn it back down for fast songs? |
Sometimes I forget for a while.  I usually catch it when a real uptempo number comes along, though.
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| Our band leader swears by delay (not a lot) rather than reverb on the P.A. |
I like the P.A. totally dry, especially indoors. The ambient echo of a room is usually enough to garble speech. I use compression and a noise gate on my own mic (TC Helicon's XT Correct stomp box). That seems to increase intelligibility a lot.
Singers on TV are using so much reverb nowadays that you can't understand the lyrics. Why dey do dat? 
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Tommy Boswell
From:
Virginia, USA
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Posted 23 Apr 2016 10:18 am
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To me "slapback" is that 50s rock & roll sound, not exactly what I'm asking about here (since I'm the OP).
I do understand what you're all saying about reverb and delay together, I've tried that. But I can also set my delay pedal to a short 200ms or less time, and adjust the feedback up a bit, to make it sound like reverb (sort of). Just wondering if anyone plays that way, with no reverb pedal in the picture. |
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Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 23 Apr 2016 11:26 am
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As I mentioned in another discussion, I usually add just a touch of delay (one subtle repeat) with reverb when we play outdoors. I think it can make it sound more like a large room, with just a hair of reflection coming off a wall.....that isn't there.
I hate hearing over-used delay pedals creating extra notes pinging around, getting in the way of the music.
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Josh Yenne
From:
Sonoma California
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Posted 25 Apr 2016 1:15 pm
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| I think it's fun to have some delay at a gig. Mostly the delay would be almost inaudible a very quick and low repeat thing just to thicken up the sound . Although I really never do it as it's one more pedal I have to bring and think about having a battery or another power adapter etc. etc. Would rather just have an easier set up so just use the verb |
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Stephen Williams
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from Wales now in Berkeley,Ca, USA
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Posted 25 Apr 2016 6:36 pm
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| I use a delay and it isn't short and has repeats but is mixed in just enough so it enhances the sound . that is the trick. Also put a compressor after the delay and it can sound like a beautiful reverb. |
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 26 Apr 2016 7:02 am
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And then we have chorus.  |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 26 Apr 2016 11:51 am
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| I have that problem even without chorus. |
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Barry Yasika
From:
Bethlehem, Pa.
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Posted 4 May 2016 9:04 pm
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| I really like Mike Johnson's sound on Country Family reunion. It sounds pretty dry for the most part, if anything maybe a touch of reverb. I've tried to do that and as long as your in tune it really cuts through nice and crisp, especially the lower notes and you get more of a pop out of the higher notes for the faster licks. In the eighties everyone played kind of wet but I see the mind set changing to a dryer, thicker sound now. I still get into listening to Buddy Emmons and Herby Wallace stuff though. I heard Scotty once say some of those guys played with two amps, one wet and one dry. I guess you end up liking what you like. |
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Josh Yenne
From:
Sonoma California
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Posted 4 May 2016 9:43 pm
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my new years resolution was to play with more verb.... i usually don't play with much.. as i feel verb often makes it harder to cut through clearly... times i've accidentally had on too much verb, or listen back to a recording and realize that live I generally do not have ENOUGH verb... this year i'm going to where i usually am and then kicking it up just a tough...
we'll see.
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Tony Glassman
From:
The Great Northwest
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Posted 4 May 2016 10:38 pm
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Reverb has always been a double edged sword for me. On the one hand, I love the fullness and shimmer it provides but it usually comes at the cost of clarity and attack.
I like reverb pedals with a pre-delay parameter to preserve the initial percussive attack of the note before the reverb tail kicks in. A touch of delay before reverb gives a similar result to my ears. |
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Jerry Bartee
From:
Arizona, USA
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Posted 12 May 2016 7:43 pm
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| I use both. I change it around some when I play in different places |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 12 May 2016 11:39 pm
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Tiny bit of reverb. If I need delay, I use the SOS Echoplex I got from Don Dixon, the inventor. No better sounding delay on the planet!
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John Sluszny
From:
Brussels, Belgium
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Posted 13 May 2016 9:31 am
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| Chorus is evil. It messes with your pitch. You can't tell if you're playing in tune. |
Right,and you can't tell if you're playing out of tune either !
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 19 May 2016 4:08 pm
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| a little delay is all i use. rarely ever touch it. |
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