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Topic: StageOne E's on Right Knee? |
Dan Robinson
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Colorado, USA
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Posted 9 Mar 2016 9:38 pm |
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What's invloved in changing knee levers on a Zum StageOne to lower 4 and 8 on RKL, raise 4 and 8 on RKR? I have no experience with a pull-release guitar. Nothing fancy in mind, just wonder what's involved in moving left knees to the right, and vice-versa.
A few StageOne steels have come up for sale recently, but all are Emmons pedals and knees.
The Encore is on my bucket list, but a StageOne could happen sooner. Maybe Doug will have a suggestion. |
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Lane Gray
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Posted 9 Mar 2016 10:52 pm
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I believe the bellcranks are welded/soldered. The price comes with reduced flexibility.
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John Roche
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Posted 10 Mar 2016 2:54 am
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| you might be able to move the cross shafts and do it that way.. |
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Charlie McDonald
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out of the blue
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Posted 10 Mar 2016 3:40 am
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| I did that on a Carter Starter. |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 10 Mar 2016 5:00 am
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You'd have to create a reverser. On the Stage One system without a reverser, lowers are only on the right-moving knees. Several economy models do this.
So the desired copedent isn't available, but you could lower the Es on RKR and raise them on RKL, moving the second string lower to LKR, leaving the Emmons Cross a tad difficult.
If. I'd read it more carefully I'd have said that before.
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 12 Mar 2016 9:34 am
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that's the main problem with a stage one.
they're designed to be played just how they are
made. no changee! |
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Jim Fogarty
From:
Phila, Pa, USA
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Posted 12 Mar 2016 12:55 pm
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| chris ivey wrote: |
that's the main problem with a stage one.
they're designed to be played just how they are
made. no changee! |
For the quality they offer at the price, it's hardly a "problem".........it's a feature!  |
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Mike Perlowin
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Los Angeles CA
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Posted 12 Mar 2016 2:18 pm
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| chris ivey wrote: |
that's the main problem with a stage one.
they're designed to be played just how they are
made. no changee! |
Precisely.
The ability to change the setup is the big advantage of the Encore over the Stage one. My suggestion is that rather than mess with the Stage one and possibly damage it, sell it and get something that's more flexible like an Encore, or one of the used MSAs or other older pro guitars that turn up from time to time.
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Michael Douchette
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Gallatin, TN (deceased)
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Carl Mesrobian
From:
Salem, Massachusetts, USA
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Posted 14 Mar 2016 5:48 am
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There's an awful lot of music there. Just think what Lloyd's done without even lowering 4. |
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John Roche
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England
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Posted 14 Mar 2016 10:03 am
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| the one thing it has is rock solid tuning and great action.. |
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Michael Douchette
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Gallatin, TN (deceased)
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 14 Mar 2016 11:33 am
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http://b0b.com/tunings/green.htm
here's lloyd's setup. can a stage one be setup that way? if not he couldn't use a stage one.
i totally understand that stage ones work great if you can use the setup that comes on it. |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 14 Mar 2016 12:33 pm
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Chris, while the Stage One is pretty much take it or leave it, I bet Lloyd could play it better than I play my Zum.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 14 Mar 2016 2:10 pm
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yeah, yea...everyone can talk it up!
the point of this thread is that it can't be changed around! |
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John Roche
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Posted 14 Mar 2016 2:50 pm
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| it would not be hard to do, I'm sure Richard Burton could do it.. |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 14 Mar 2016 4:21 pm
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The Bobs, Carlucci, Simmons and Muller, could probably also do it without much strain
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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Jim Fogarty
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Phila, Pa, USA
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Posted 14 Mar 2016 4:34 pm
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I think the Stage One brings up one of the drawbacks of all the overwhelming amount of info out there these days....including on this great forum.
People tend to get hung-up on what an instrument (or car, or whatever) CAN'T do....or what options it DOESN'T have....as opposed to appreciating and working with what it DOES have.
I'm as guilty of this as anyone, but I picked up my Stage One used, almost on a whim, with very little info. Frankly, I'm stunned at the quality you get for the price....especially compared to what seems to be out there. |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 14 Mar 2016 6:09 pm
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Would a guitar that doesn't drop 6 on one knee and drop the Bs be my first choice? No. But I could take a stock Stage One, play it all night and nobody but me would know I was missing vocabulary.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 14 Mar 2016 6:32 pm Re: StageOne E's on Right Knee?
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| Dan Robinson wrote: |
What's invloved in changing knee levers on a Zum StageOne to lower 4 and 8 on RKL, raise 4 and 8 on RKR? I have no experience with a pull-release guitar. Nothing fancy in mind, just wonder what's involved in moving left knees to the right, and vice-versa.
A few StageOne steels have come up for sale recently, but all are Emmons pedals and knees.
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you're all wasting your breath. this is the original post, and the answer is 'it's a problem
if you want to change things!'
i'm done with all your ridiculous butt kissing
of the stage one! it's limited! |
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Jim Fogarty
From:
Phila, Pa, USA
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Posted 14 Mar 2016 8:17 pm Re: StageOne E's on Right Knee?
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i'm done with all your ridiculous butt kissing
of the stage one! |
Wait........does a steel actually have a butt, much less one anyone would want to kiss?!?!  |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 14 Mar 2016 11:02 pm
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| evidently! |
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Michael Douchette
From:
Gallatin, TN (deceased)
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Chris Walke
From:
St Charles, IL
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Posted 15 Mar 2016 7:05 am Re: StageOne E's on Right Knee?
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| Michael Douchette wrote: |
| chris ivey wrote: |
i'm done with all your ridiculous butt kissing
of the stage one! it's limited! |
The only limits are in your own brain, brother. Learn to play the GUITAR, not the pedals, and you'll discover a wonderful world full of music. |
Yowza!!
All I can add is that the StageOne presents me with enough learning for the rest of my life.
...but hey, Chris IS right, regarding the issue as presented in the original post. The StageOne isn't for everybody, and I don't believe it is intended to be. But for those satisfied with what's onboard, it's a fantastic guitar. It is my first and last new pedal steel. |
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Brett Lanier
From:
Madison, TN
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Posted 15 Mar 2016 7:59 am
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Chris Ivey is a good steel player! He knows where the notes are on a stage one.
I'd like to see a pull release designed more like Ned McIntosh's rebuild of his Marlen with the spring tension for the lowers on the keyhead side of the release rods. That way you can move changes around without adding swivels or spring anchors on the actual levers. |
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