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Topic: How to describe grips |
Ian Rae
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Posted 12 Jan 2016 4:44 am |
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Joe Wright has a way of classifying grips that involves counting the strings that are not struck. So strings 8, 6 & 5 is a 1-0 grip; 6, 5 & 4 is 0-0, and so on. Is this understood by most people or just his disciples?
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Charlie McDonald
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Posted 12 Jan 2016 5:44 am
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It doesn't readily translate to me, but I'm not most people.
If the logic is built on 5,4=0-0, there would be another step. Is there more detail? |
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 12 Jan 2016 5:46 am
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I've never heard of that, and it isn't something I'd recommend. To me, nothing says 3, 5, and 8 like 3, 5, and 8.  |
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Dale Rottacker
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Walla Walla Washington, USA
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 12 Jan 2016 8:19 am
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I'm already beginning to get the picture. If you watch certain of Joe's videos you will hear him use these descriptions, but I shall never mention them again.
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Bryan Daste
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Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 12 Jan 2016 10:30 am
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Well, that makes sense - he's describing the shape of the grip rather than the specific strings. But I've never heard other people talk about grips that way. Interesting idea.
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Tom Campbell
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Houston, Texas, USA
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Posted 12 Jan 2016 11:55 am
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| I don't recognize this method as Joe Wrights. I have most of his teaching material including a thick manual entitled "My Approach" and I can't find this method in his pick-grip explanations. |
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Jeff Mead
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London, England
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Posted 12 Jan 2016 12:24 pm Re: How to describe grips
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| Ian Rae wrote: |
| Joe Wright has a way of classifying grips that involves counting the strings that are not struck. So strings 8, 6 & 5 is a 1-0 grip; 6, 5 & 4 is 0-0, and so on. Is this understood by most people or just his disciples? |
This makes no sense to me but sounds interesting. Could you explain further please? |
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chris ivey
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california (deceased)
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Posted 12 Jan 2016 12:42 pm
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| i get it. i think enough has been said. |
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Jerry Overstreet
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Louisville Ky
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Posted 12 Jan 2016 12:52 pm
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| This goes against the accepted standard tab form from most other sources. Seems to me, it would be confusing unless you only used tab from that writer. Particularly for new players. |
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Jeff Mead
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London, England
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Posted 12 Jan 2016 12:53 pm
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| chris ivey wrote: |
| i get it. i think enough has been said. |
Don't tease me -can't you just explain it in more detail? For example, what would a 5-4-3 grip be called or 8-6-5? |
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Chris Sattler
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Hunter Valley, Australia
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Posted 12 Jan 2016 1:18 pm
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I think it is the number of strings between the ones being played. The 5,6,8 grip has no strings between 5 and 6 but 1 string (obviously the 7th) between 6 and 8, hence 0-1. or was it 1-0? (either way works as long as you know if to start at the finger or thumb)
So to describe the 3,4,5 grip he would say: 3rd string, 0-0.
I think it's just as easy to say strings 3,4,5 |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 12 Jan 2016 1:23 pm
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0-0 and 1-0 .
yeah...3,4,5 is easier.
Last edited by chris ivey on 12 Jan 2016 2:16 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Jeff Mead
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London, England
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Posted 12 Jan 2016 1:54 pm
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I think it is the number of strings between the ones being played...
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Thanks for the clarification - I think I understand now. |
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Charlie McDonald
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Posted 12 Jan 2016 2:18 pm
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I'm kind of 0 for 1 on this myself.... |
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Ian Worley
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Sacramento, CA
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Posted 12 Jan 2016 4:18 pm
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| I understand what it means, but it seems silly to me. I tend to think about chord grips in terms of intervals in the chord they produce, not their mechanical spacing on the strings. If the string to string note intervals were all the same it might make more sense, but they're not. Everyone is entitled to their own way of organizing how they see and understand things in music and otherwise, but I'm with Donny and Chris I. on this one. |
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John Alexander
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Posted 12 Jan 2016 5:37 pm
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| Bryan Daste wrote: |
| Well, that makes sense - he's describing the shape of the grip rather than the specific strings. |
That's right. Joe's teaching materials emphasize training the hands. He uses the designation of grips to describe the the hand shapes that he wants you to learn to produce immediately and accurately, by practicing drills of moving the various grips from one string position to another. Sure he could write the drills out in standard tablature, but his notation goes directly to the structure of what the hand is being asked to produce, which involves only the number of skipped strings, if any, between the strings that are being picked. |
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Georg Sørtun
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Mandal, Agder, Norway
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Posted 12 Jan 2016 5:46 pm
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So, my fav wide grips of strings 8-5-3 becomes 2-1, and strings 10-6-4 becomes 3-1. OK with me  |
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William Liemandt
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New Mexico
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Posted 12 Jan 2016 10:46 pm
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| I don't really understand this so I won't knock it. But sounds like Common Core for PSG to me. |
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Dick Sexton
From:
Greenville, Ohio
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Posted 13 Jan 2016 1:44 am Old dogs...
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| When I first saw this, I dismissed it. But... Think about it, for an instructor verbally communicating with a student, it could be a quick method of letting the student know what to do. I see it as a single number. Number one, 1 or twenty, 20 or eleven, 11 or zero, 0! Like zero at three, "0" @ 5... Written out really doesn't speed up the process, but spoken, it does seem to. For us old dogs, it might seem cumbersome and un-nessesary, but for a new student... Well, it might be easy to pick up on. And it may be Mr. Wrights preferred way of communicating thoughts quickly to an early student. Just my thoughts... |
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Mark van Allen
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Watkinsville, Ga. USA
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Posted 13 Jan 2016 8:06 am
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Regardless of how you verbally refer to string groupings, your hand/fingers and muscle memory do the same things- three strings right together, two strings separated from another string by an un played string, etc. So I see what the intent is.
Everyone learns in slightly different ways, so whatever helps develop the muse is golden.
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Gino Cecchetto
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California, USA
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Posted 13 Jan 2016 8:24 am
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| This seemed ridiculous at first read of the OP, but I get it now. He's using this to define a grip shape, very similar to how us banjo players define chord shapes we can play anywhere on the neck. I'm not sure it's any easier than calling out the strings to be picked, but I see the logic in what he's doing. |
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Christopher Woitach
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Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 13 Jan 2016 8:31 am
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While I agree that if you're telling a student to play specific strings to get a specific chord it makes sense to say "strings 9764", I get describing the TYPE of grip it is is very useful for attaining the kind of muscle memory that Joe Wrights methods are based on.
On the six string guitar, for example, a G major vertical position scale (covering all the notes in that scale in one position) starting from the root would be on the 3rd fret, the same SHAPE is true for any major scale starting from the root on the low E string, so we end up with a specific, G major, and an abstract general shape, Starting from the root... His methodology is to name the abstract for all his beginning "Wright Hand" patterns.
Both are useful, especially in combination, to me.
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John McClung
From:
Olympia WA, USA
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Posted 13 Jan 2016 1:58 pm
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I admire and applaud Joe Wright's very analytical and scientific approach to how to play steel, but if this is his grips nomenclature, I'll pass.
In my teaching, I simply number the 4 main grips we all use for most major and minor chords. Grip 1 is strings 3-4-5; grip 2 is strings 4-5-6; grip 3 is 5-6-8; grip 4 is strings 6-8-10. Easier to call this out to my students and everyone understands it easily.
Other grips: strings 5-6-7 = grip 3.5. Strings 6-5-10 = grip 4.5.
After that, I call them wide grip, weird grip, oddball grip, Fred and Barney. 
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Hans Penner
From:
Manitoba, Canada
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Posted 15 Jan 2016 7:41 pm
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As a former student? .. until I pass thru Olympia again,
I have never encontered "the other grips".
I will experiment though.
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