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Larry Behm
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Posted 8 Jan 2016 6:11 pm |
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What does this mean?
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Larry Behm
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Mt Angel, Or 97362
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Posted 8 Jan 2016 9:00 pm
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Well 120 saw this but did not know or were afraid it meant something like table dancing.
For us old timers it referred to making hand adjustments while playing since sometimes the "older" guitars lacked the precision that newer guitars have.
Like slanting the bar up a little on string 8 while playing in the A&F position. Realizing that what may be in perfect tune at the nut might not be so on fret 8, so you might have to cheat with the bar a little here or there.
Using the bar to create emotion by how fast or slow you come into or out of a note or group of notes.
Old guitar mechanics are not for everyone, it was hard back then on an old ZB, but we lived to tell the story.
Just a couple of thoughts here on my part.
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Tony Prior
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Charlotte NC
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Posted 9 Jan 2016 1:34 am
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Ha ! in my ignorance or just being absent or naive, I never heard of the term . But reading what Larry states makes sense because what he says is true regarding early instruments. I used to purposely detune the 3rd string ever so slightly so it wouldn't break on my early Sho Bud and part of my playing process was to slightly slant the bar forward with anything to do with the 3rd string . Evidently i was playing on top of the guitar, all that time I thought I was simply preserving the 3rd string 
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Larry Behm
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Mt Angel, Or 97362
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Posted 9 Jan 2016 7:20 am
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Tony I did the same thing, great minds.....
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 9 Jan 2016 7:32 am
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It might mean playing a high harmony over a guitar part. Or maybe, it's "layering", or simply playing over what the guitar is doing.
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Dale Rottacker
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Walla Walla Washington, USA
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Ray Montee
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Portland, Oregon (deceased)
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Posted 9 Jan 2016 9:43 am Knowledge is key to success.....................
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Having played steel for a lifetime, I find it rather amazing that so many new discoveries have been realized in just the last 4 or 5 years.
During my active years of playing with groups of musicians and a variety of instruments, some really good while others were less than, I'm still amazed with the new thinking about tuning "OUT of TUNE" in order to be in tune. Hummmmm?
With many of the techniques being displayed on You Tube today it's no wonder players are finding the steel to be a difficult instrument to play.
Many of we old timers learned technique first; and then added to it with the experience learned while playing. Without benefit of tabs, Nashville inspired chord charts, etc., etc., most of us managed to survive in the music world.
With all of the new terminologies and ideas on how to play a simple instrument......I'm truly doubtful that I could have ever made it down thro' these many years. I'm glad I learned what I consider to be the correct way. |
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Doug Beaumier
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Northampton, MA
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Posted 9 Jan 2016 6:01 pm
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| ...or simply playing over what the guitar is doing. |
Yes, that was my first thought. Playing over another player... like a guitarist who plays "on top" of the steel player. We've all been there. It's not a good thing. I guess I've worked with too many guitarists who have no concept of sharing fills, trading fills, but that was my first thought about "playing on top of the guitar". Or it could mean harmonizing with the guitarist. Playing notes a 3rd above or a 5th above the guitar, hence playing "on top of the guitar".
Another thought... in the world of non-pedal steel guitar it's sometimes said the magic takes place on the top of the guitar.... slants, slides, harmonics, hammer-ons, etc., as opposed to under the guitar (pedals and levers).
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Larry Behm
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Mt Angel, Or 97362
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Posted 10 Jan 2016 9:07 am
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I did not say on top of the guitar player, but that is a very interesting take, I can do that also. Hee Hee.
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Doug Beaumier
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Barry Westerfield
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Myrtle Beach, SC
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Posted 11 Jan 2016 2:21 pm
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Ray Montee, I never understood the statement tune "OUT OF TUNE" to play "IN TUNE" heard that statement many times over the years, good to see you and Larry Behm's post. I've been off the forum for awhile, miss the Pacific Northwest......
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 11 Jan 2016 6:45 pm Re: Knowledge is key to success.....................
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| Ray Montee wrote: |
During my active years of playing with groups of musicians and a variety of instruments, some really good while others were less than, I'm still amazed with the new thinking about tuning "OUT of TUNE" in order to be in tune. |
Tuning, as well as playing in tune, is a matter of getting it close enough to sound good. Trying for more is nothing but a fool's errand.
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As it happens, there is no one temperament that allows for truly in-tune musical intervals over multiple key signatures.
(Peterson Electro-musical instruments)
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Maybe you meant to say "playing on