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Topic: C6 - A to Bb lever |
b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 25 Dec 2015 11:18 am |
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I raise both A's to Bb on a knee lever. Lately I've been using it with P6 a lot to get a 6th chord (Eb6 on open strings). I'm thinking of lowering the 9th string F to Eb on the Bb lever to get the low root.
Has anyone here tried that? I don't see anything I'd be losing. Is there something I haven't thought of?
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Tom Gorr
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Three Hills, Alberta
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Posted 25 Dec 2015 12:06 pm
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| Leaving s9 and using as root allows for that sus4 resolve to the 3. I think that's the terminology. .. been 25 years since I studied theory. |
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Earnest Bovine
From:
Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 25 Dec 2015 3:20 pm
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Doug Jernigan uses something like this:
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LKL LKV LKR | 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 | RKL RKR
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E -Eb| +F |
C | ++D | -B ++D
A ++B +Bb |+Bb ++B ++B |
G |+Ab -F# |
E | +F -Eb |
C | +Db +C#|
A +Bb | +Bb ++B |
F | --Eb +F# -E |
C -B | ++D ---A |
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This allows a nice Eb13 with -9 on top. Of course you can do that already using P8 (P10 in the above case) but you wouldn't have the low E flat. In re of that, I remember years ago seeing things like this on P8. (sim on Maurice Anderson Bb6 dropping low Eb to Db)
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P
G
E
C
A
G
E
C +C#
A
F --Eb
C ---A
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Steven Welborn
From:
Ojai,CA USA
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Posted 25 Dec 2015 3:54 pm
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| I use that pedal/lever combination a lot myself to get a three below 6th chord. It seems very useful position to me to slide between the two and I wondered how standard that was with other players. I like to tune that A-Bb raise so it's in tune (no beats) with that chord though which seems to be OK when that Bb is used as the Dom 7th tone i.e. C7 open pos. Never thought of lowering the 9th strg a whole tone though. I raise my A a half tone with LKV which is pretty comfortable in combo with P6. |
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John Swain
From:
Winchester, Va
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Posted 25 Dec 2015 6:19 pm
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| Bob, check out Buck Reid's tuning. He's had that for years. I've tried it on on a knee, and also on the 8th pedal. For various reasons I'm back just raising 4th string to Bb. |
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Tom Gorr
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Three Hills, Alberta
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Posted 25 Dec 2015 6:46 pm
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I also use P5+P6 out of a s9 root...with and without the A-> Bb. .... ..
Any change to s9 is a non starter for me.
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 26 Dec 2015 10:06 am
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b0b - thanks for pointing out this change. My D10 doesn't have it, and I confess it hasn't troubled me. But on my uni, I have P6 on RKR and I can therefore use the B pedal with it. Could come in handy. I guess it complements the 3-up 6th chord with P5 & 8.
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 26 Dec 2015 3:01 pm
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| Ian Rae wrote: |
| b0b - thanks for pointing out this change. My D10 doesn't have it, and I confess it hasn't troubled me. But on my uni, I have P6 on RKR and I can therefore use the B pedal with it. Could come in handy. I guess it complements the 3-up 6th chord with P5 & 8. |
Right, it's like the D6th position on E9th. I played "Steelin The Blues" in Eb from that position on my Quasar Steel Guitar CD.
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Jim Hoke
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Tennessee, USA
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Posted 1 Jan 2016 5:22 pm
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| Bob - I didn't read the whole thread so maybe I'm being redundant, but you will lose a four-over-five chord by lowering that F to Eb. (strings 4,5&6 are the 4 chord while 9 is the 5 root note.) But unless you're playing solo, somebody else (the bass player) will take care of that...... |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 1 Jan 2016 5:43 pm
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| Jim Hoke wrote: |
| Bob - I didn't read the whole thread so maybe I'm being redundant, but you will lose a four-over-five chord by lowering that F to Eb. (strings 4,5&6 are the 4 chord while 9 is the 5 root note.) |
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4 A > Bb (knee)
5 G
6 E > Eb (P6)
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9 F
I hadn't noticed that, Jim. Thanks. I do have that chord 2 frets lower with my "pseudo E9th pedals", but most folks don't have those.
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3 C
4 A
5 G > A (P1)
6 E > F (P2)
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9 F > G (P1)
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Jim Hoke
From:
Tennessee, USA
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Posted 1 Jan 2016 7:05 pm
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Are you saying that your E9 pedals function also on your C neck as you described?
So you can dance around that much with your feet? If so, that's wild! You must take your right foot off the volume pedal and work both of them. That's a new one on me! |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 1 Jan 2016 8:40 pm
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No, I play a single neck. It's actually an 8-string D6th, but I reference 10-string C6th when writing about it and use the standard pedal names so that people don't get too confused.
My LKR, P3, P4, P5, RKL and RKR are all typical C6th changes, but the whole tuning is a step higher. LKL, LKV, P1 and P2 are my "pseudo E9th" changes.
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Quentin Hickey
From:
Nova Scotia, Canada
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Posted 1 Jan 2016 8:49 pm
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| Steven Welborn wrote: |
| I use that pedal/lever combination a lot myself to get a three below 6th chord. It seems very useful position to me to slide between the two and I wondered how standard that was with other players. I like to tune that A-Bb raise so it's in tune (no beats) with that chord though which seems to be OK when that Bb is used as the Dom 7th tone i.e. C7 open pos. Never thought of lowering the 9th strg a whole tone though. I raise my A a half tone with LKV which is pretty comfortable in combo with P6. |
thats a good idea for an lkv change. I was going to put this change on my pedal 4 since I dont use the standard a to b change at all. |
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Jim Palenscar
From:
Oceanside, Calif, USA
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Posted 2 Jan 2016 7:50 am
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| On a uni that is the B pedal but usually requires using both feet. Reece said that it was the most important change on his guitar so on my new MSA (amazing job Kyle and Mitchell!!) I had a 2nd LKV installed to be used in conjunction w my LKR (E lowers~~ I know lots of folks like it on the RKL-just not me) and it is great. |
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Jim Hoke
From:
Tennessee, USA
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Posted 2 Jan 2016 8:48 am
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| Gee bOb, I'm not sure that's legal..... |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 2 Jan 2016 9:05 am
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| Jim Palenscar wrote: |
| On a uni that is the B pedal but usually requires using both feet. Reece said that it was the most important change on his guitar so on my new MSA (amazing job Kyle and Mitchell!!) I had a 2nd LKV installed to be used in conjunction w my LKR (E lowers~~ I know lots of folks like it on the RKL-just not me) and it is great. |
Seems like quite a trick to use LKV and LKR together! Those MSA guys are amazing with complex systems like David Wright's two LKV levers.
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Jim Palenscar
From:
Oceanside, Calif, USA
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Posted 2 Jan 2016 3:13 pm
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It is LKVR (left knee vertical right)- so easy in and up  |
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