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Cody Angel
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Posted 15 Jan 2016 4:43 pm |
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This is a long one and I appreciate your help.
Some things I have learned lately are making me question some setup things. I currently lower the E's on inside right lever with my Emmons pedal setup. Obviously, everything on a steel guitar has pros and cons with respect to setup. I have seen that having the raise and lower separated for 4 and 8 makes the transition between the two smoother, but don't really use them in a way that requires a lot of smooth between those two. However, I have learned some phrases lately that need smoothness between lowering the E's and the second string lowers. For this reason, I am lowering 2 on inside left. ALA Franklin. I lower 6 a whole tone on that lever for now as I use only the lowered 6 more that a standard PF pedal, but will put that with raising 1 and 2 when I get some time to turn it over and do some work. That has to be away from the E lower lever also. This leads me to think I should put the E lowers on the left leg. QUESTION: those who have changed setups drastically- I work every weekend, should I wait and do it when I have some time to spend, or out of the pan into the fire? And to to those with the E's on the left leg and Emmons pedals, do you find yourself frustrated with getting from E to F with a stall in the middle? Thanks again guys!
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J R Rose
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Posted 15 Jan 2016 6:46 pm
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Hi Cody, I am by no means a pro here but with some years of experience. I started years ago with the Day floor pedals and then changed to Emmons floor because
their was more instructional material around. But I still had the E's lowering on RKL. I just a few months ago got my first Emmons and it had the E's raise and lower on the left knee. LKL raises & LKR lowers. I liked it and it began to feel good very soon. That leaves you RKR to lower 2nd & 9th and RKL to raise 1st. & lower 6th. After a lot of research I found that a lot of pickers set up this way. I found that it is a good set up and not to say it is the only one to have but I like it. Just go for it and get your mind set in the groove of what you have changed to and you will make it work. Change it Sunday and practice every night till next gig. Good luck, J.R. Rose
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Georg Sørtun
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Mandal, Agder, Norway
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Posted 15 Jan 2016 7:55 pm Re: E lower location
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| And to to those with the E's on the left leg and Emmons pedals, do you find yourself frustrated with getting from E to F with a stall in the middle? |
Never been a problem - just takes practice. It does help on cross-over smoothness (in those rare cases when you really need it) to adjust those two E-levers as close together as you can without running the risk of accidentally pushing them as you move your foot between floor-pedals.
Now, I am one of those "odd" types who like to play on a "not-perfectly-timed-and-tuned" PSG's idiosyncrasies/quirks, and I am not too hung up in pedal/lever "switching smoothness". What matters to me is that the instrument sounds perfectly in tune at any chord held long enough for any imperfections to be noticed.
I do for instance time my two E-levers to raise and lower the E strings ever so slightly out of sync along their travel, ending up perfectly beat-free at the end-stops. The slight "slur" I then get between sympathetically vibrating strings during very slow changes makes for an interesting musical effect, and it cannot be heard through fast changes.
Same "slur" effects can of course be made with the bar, and it can then also just as easily be eliminated with the bar when it comes from the pedal/lever "off-timing". |
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Jeff Mead
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London, England
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Posted 16 Jan 2016 12:20 am
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| J R Rose wrote: |
| I started years ago with the Day floor pedals and then changed to Emmons floor because their was more instructional material around. |
Sorry to digress for a moment but I'm confused by this.
I've heard quite a few people say there is more instructional material for Emmons than Day.
I play Day setup but all the instructional material I have found refers to the floor pedals by function (the A raises the 5th string string, C raises the 4th and 5th strings etc.) so it all works fine for both setups. Mine are exactly the same - just in different physical locations.
I've never seen anything that tells you to "press the left hand and middle peddles at the same time" it will just say press A&B pedals - which gives the same result on both systems.
On the other side of the coin, how many Emmons players have used Jeff Newman's courses? He played and taught with a Day setup. |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 16 Jan 2016 3:36 am
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| Jeff Mead wrote: |
| J R Rose wrote: |
| I started years ago with the Day floor pedals and then changed to Emmons floor because their was more instructional material around. |
Sorry to digress for a moment but I'm confused by this.
I've heard quite a few people say there is more instructional material for Emmons than Day.
I play Day setup but all the instructional material I have found refers to the floor pedals by function (the A raises the 5th string string, C raises the 4th and 5th strings etc.) so it all works fine for both setups. Mine are exactly the same - just in different physical locations.
I've never seen anything that tells you to "press the left hand and middle peddles at the same time" it will just say press A&B pedals - which gives the same result on both systems.
On the other side of the coin, how many Emmons players have used Jeff Newman's courses? He played and taught with a Day setup. |
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Mike Perlowin
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Los Angeles CA
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Posted 17 Jan 2016 3:02 am
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There are both advantages and disadvantages either way. The obvious advantage of having the E string raises and lowers on separate knees is the ease and smoothness of transitioning between them. When they are on the same knee it’s hard, but not impossible, to avoid an awkward sounding bump on the E note in the middle of the transition. I can do it if I raise up my leg so that I’m touching the vertical. It also helps idf the levers are close together.
The obvious advantage of having both levers on the same knee is that you never use them at the same time. The less obvious advantage is that there are some changes that work with both levers, which can only be used with both if they are on the same knee.
The primary one is B-Bb. When used with the E raise, it yields a perfect 5th between strings 4 and 5. When used with the E lower it gives you a minor 9th chord. The F# to G (natural) raise also has some uses with both levers.
Once again, there’s no right or wring way to set up the levers. It’s purely a matter of personal preference.
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Charlie McDonald
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 17 Jan 2016 6:03 am
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There's been a lot of discussion about this on different threads, but it's really simple:-
If you play a D10 or a single E9 you can put your E lowers anywhere that pleases you, regardless of what anyone else does. I have tried them everywhere except LKR (because I play Day) and frankly I haven't found a clear advantage anywhere.
On a universal they must be wherever you can comfortably hold them on while also covering most of the pedals with your left foot, which for me is RKR. For a dyed-in-the wool Emmons player it might be LKR - GFI uni 12s are set up that way, for example.
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 18 Jan 2016 6:22 am
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I use my E lowers with both the 2nd and 6th string drops, and therefore keep the E lowers on a different leg than either of the two other lowers.
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Lynn Fargo
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Fort Edward, NY
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Posted 18 Jan 2016 10:35 am
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Hi Cody,
I'm not a pro player, but I've played for over a decade with my E levers on my right on my Sho-Bud Pro II. I found a LOT of players have them on the left, and it was really difficult for me to play anyone else's guitar if the chance arose. I recently bought a S-10 with the E's on the left because I wanted a lighter guitar and because I wanted to practice with that set up.
Surprisingly, it didn't take long at all to get comfortable with the change. I can't say I prefer one to the other, but at least I can sit in now on someone else's guitar if I want to. And it feels so natural after a minimal amount of time that I'm going to switch the levers over on my Bud.
Like JR said, switch them as soon as possible after a gig so you have a good week to get used to the feel. I'm having more problems remembering to use my right leg for the second string lower, probably because I'm using that one the least. Oh, yeah, like you, I play Emmons set up.
Best of luck, Lynn
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