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Topic: Carter Pedal Rods? |
Bob Snelgrove
From:
san jose, ca
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Posted 17 Apr 2004 10:38 am |
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Hi Guys
Can the Carter rods be shortened and re-threaded? I know my P/P rods were machined and not done on a normal die. The Carter rods look similiar as the threaded part OD looks bigger than the rod itself. Also might be looking for a set of shorter rods if anyone happens to have some.
thx
Bob |
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Jeff Hogsten
From:
Flatwoods Ky USA
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Posted 17 Apr 2004 12:10 pm
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| I have a set of long ones for a carter if anyone could cut them off and rethread them for you and Im sure they could Jeff |
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Bob Snelgrove
From:
san jose, ca
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Posted 17 Apr 2004 4:04 pm
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Jeff
I can cut and rethread mine *if* it can be done with a standard die. Hopefully John Fabian can answer.
thx
bob
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Bill Moore
From:
Manchester, Michigan
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Posted 17 Apr 2004 4:29 pm
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| Bob, the rods are 5/32" in dia. the 10-32 thread is rolled on. You will not be able to re-thread them if you cut off the threads. I'd suggest that you work on the other end. You can bend a new hook on the end by heating it red hot, with a propane torch, then bending with vise grips. Shape it like the originals by grinding the extra part off. Clean up the darkened area, where it was heated, with fine emery cloth or steel wool. I've done this and it worked out well. Good luck. |
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Bob Snelgrove
From:
san jose, ca
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Posted 17 Apr 2004 4:32 pm
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Thanks, Bill
I was afraid of that 
How much are new rods from Carter?
thx
bob |
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C Dixon
From:
Duluth, GA USA
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Posted 17 Apr 2004 5:15 pm
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I do believe Bill is correct. You can always tell by checking whether the threads are larger in diameter than the rod. If they are, they are rolled on and cannot be threaded with the same diameter thread using a die.
If the diameter of the thread is equal to the rod, then you can rethread them. Probably the main reason for rolling threads instead of threading them with a die, is it so much faster. And I believe less expensive to the manufacturer.
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 17 Apr 2004 6:00 pm
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I have successfully re-threaded the Carter rods with a die. It can be done.
By the way Bob, I was talking to John Fabian after I did this, and he recommended cutting the rod at the hook end and re-bending the hook.[This message was edited by Richard Sinkler on 17 April 2004 at 07:02 PM.] |
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Bob Snelgrove
From:
san jose, ca
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Posted 17 Apr 2004 6:10 pm
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Richard
Did it work but the threads were on the "thin" side? Let's get our Carters together to meet
bob |
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Bob Snelgrove
From:
san jose, ca
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Posted 18 Apr 2004 6:42 am
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I'm going to pick up a piece of scrap 5/32 rod and try to cut some 10/32 threads and see what happens. Thanks, guys.
bob
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J D Sauser
From:
Wellington, Florida
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Posted 18 Apr 2004 8:54 am
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If you haven't yet done so and I were you, I would call the fine folks at Carter first.
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 18 Apr 2004 10:54 am
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The threads work just fine. I did use new nylon tuning nuts though so the threads could cut there own threads in the nut.
We definately need to get together. |
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Bob Snelgrove
From:
san jose, ca
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Posted 18 Apr 2004 11:30 am
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Sounds cool, Richard
Just to be clear, I'm talking the rods that connect the *floor pedals* to the cross rods, right?
bob |
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C Dixon
From:
Duluth, GA USA
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Posted 18 Apr 2004 12:42 pm
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Me thinks you folks are talking about two different rods. There are "changer" pull rods and pedal pull rods. I assumed the author was talking about the pedal rods. But now that I have reread the thread I am not sure.
The changer pull rods are easily threaded. The "stamped" pedal rods are another story. While one might be able to use a die on these, it would not be an appropriate diameter thread. The reason for this is the diameter of the thread on a stamped rod is larger than the rod.
If you have a stamped pedal rod and you wish to shorten it, 'tis best, as has been said, if you shorten the "hook" end and rebend and grind it using the cut off end as a guide.
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Bob Snelgrove
From:
san jose, ca
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Posted 18 Apr 2004 5:16 pm
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Carl,
The author is definitely talking "pedal pull" rods!
thx,
bob |
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 18 Apr 2004 5:47 pm
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Right! There are "pull rods" and "pedal rods", but there are no "pedal pull" rods. 
We got it now! |
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Bob Snelgrove
From:
san jose, ca
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Posted 18 Apr 2004 5:56 pm
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OK, OK
PEDAL RODS!!!!!!
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Richard Sinkler
From:
aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 18 Apr 2004 7:19 pm
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| OOPS... MY BAD... No one said I knew how to read. |
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C Dixon
From:
Duluth, GA USA
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Posted 19 Apr 2004 6:52 am
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If the pedal rods do not pull ( ), how do they accomplish their purpose? ;
Donny, this is the first time I ever recall disagreeing with you. That is somethin'
carl |
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Tommy White
From:
Nashville
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Posted 19 Apr 2004 6:08 pm
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Donnie,
What about pushpull pedal pull rods? heh-heh |
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