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Topic: How to play this type of passage in C6 (or B6)? |
Daniel Morris
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Westlake, Ohio, USA
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Posted 3 Dec 2015 3:39 pm |
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Nice thread started about favorite ii V I turnarounds here, so since I'm (finally) digging into the B6 side my 12 string Universal, I'm wondering how the "jazzers" play a descending sort of passage in a 6th tuning.
Say you have Em, third fret, A pedal down, strings 5-6-8 (standard E9 tuning). Then half-pedal the A pedal, then no pedals, then the knee lever that drops the 5th string a half step. (Did I make sense?)
What ways can this be done in C6 (I can easily transpose for my steel)?
Thanks for any ideas. I imagine this is fairly basic/common, but common and "outside" versions are welcome.
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Dr. Z Surgical Steel w/TT 15" speaker.
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Willie Sims
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Posted 4 Dec 2015 9:10 am
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I don't know if this is what you are looking for, but you can get something similar to what you described.
In the standard C6 tuning, on any fret say the seventh fret or G chord, triple note 3 4 5 strings, next do the same thing push pedal five that lowers the 5 string, half tone next push the seventh pedal that raises the 3 and 4 strings while backing up to fret five. Let pedal five off when you move to the five fret. Then resolved back to the seventh fret, strings 3. 5. 6. Maybe this will help you. |
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Daniel Morris
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Westlake, Ohio, USA
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Posted 4 Dec 2015 10:08 am
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Yes, that's a good start, Willie. Thanks.
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1979 MSA U12 Pedal Steel
1982 Kline U12 Pedal steel
2019 Sierra U12 Pedal Steel
2011 Bear Creek MK Weissenborn
Milkman 40W Mini amp w/Telonics 15" speaker.
Dr. Z Surgical Steel w/TT 15" speaker.
Frenzel MB-50 head.
Spaceman, Empress, Eventide, Pigtronix. |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 4 Dec 2015 10:14 am
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On standard C6th, I would change strings in the middle of it, at the 4th fret holding pedal6 down, strings 3 5 6 for the Em. Lower 3 with the B knee, then switch to string 4 raised with the Bb knee (pick blocking 3), then release the Bb knee.
On your U-12, if you happen to have an "E9th" lever that raises your F# to G#, you can use that exactly the way you use your A pedal. The notes will be at the 8th fret, strings 7 8 9 and the final note (Em6) uses pedal5.
My D6th copedent includes the E9th A & B pedals, so I'd actually do it the same way you're doing it on E9th. I've also bar slanted that last note when I find myself in a position that doesn't support it (pick blocking the middle note out).
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Daniel Morris
From:
Westlake, Ohio, USA
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Posted 4 Dec 2015 10:20 am
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I only have that F# to G# raise on my first string, b0b.
Would you be so kind as to spell out your take for me, in dummy step-by-step, in standard C6 (might be easiest)?
Thank you.
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1979 MSA U12 Pedal Steel
1982 Kline U12 Pedal steel
2019 Sierra U12 Pedal Steel
2011 Bear Creek MK Weissenborn
Milkman 40W Mini amp w/Telonics 15" speaker.
Dr. Z Surgical Steel w/TT 15" speaker.
Frenzel MB-50 head.
Spaceman, Empress, Eventide, Pigtronix. |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 4 Dec 2015 10:30 am A Perfect Life
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Here's a recording that Dave Zirbel and I made. It features those changes on the 3rd line of the bridge. Dave is playing E9th (ZB) and I'm playing 12-string C6th (Williams). I don't really remember what position I used for that part of the melody, but you can hear that I did change strings in the middle of it. I think Dave did, too. I wrote the song, so it starts with me on C6th.
A Perfect Life
The Williams C6th had a middle D string, by the way. You may notice it in the transitions and ending.
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 4 Dec 2015 10:40 am
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Em EmM7 Em7 Em6
D _________________________
E _________________________
C __4--4(k1)--x____________
A ____________4(k2)--4_____
G __4-----------------_____
E __4(6)--------------_____
C _________________________
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Daniel Morris
From:
Westlake, Ohio, USA
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Posted 4 Dec 2015 10:43 am
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Thanks very much, b0b!
Any thicker/fuller/heavier/outside version happily accepted!
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1979 MSA U12 Pedal Steel
1982 Kline U12 Pedal steel
2019 Sierra U12 Pedal Steel
2011 Bear Creek MK Weissenborn
Milkman 40W Mini amp w/Telonics 15" speaker.
Dr. Z Surgical Steel w/TT 15" speaker.
Frenzel MB-50 head.
Spaceman, Empress, Eventide, Pigtronix. |
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Brint Hannay
From:
Maryland, USA
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Posted 4 Dec 2015 1:04 pm
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I'm not actually a C6th player, but I went to my C6th neck to see what I could find. I didn't find a fuller, thicker voicing, but in addition to b0b's, I found this, which uses P6 and levers k1 (3rd string C->B) and k2 (3rd string C->C#). For Em:
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k1 k1,P6 k2 k2,P6
D
E
C -- 12b----12b 10#----10#
A 10-----10
G -- 12-----12
E -- 12-----12b 10-----10b
C
A
F
C
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Willie Sims
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PADUCAH, KY, USA
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Posted 5 Dec 2015 1:31 pm
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Daniel/here is a jazz TYPE CHORD run that is very easy to do. I got this from a Herbie Wallace book years ago. On the seventh FRET OR ;G CHORD. Start with the five string then 4,3,2 , just like you were counting one, two, three, four, double note TWO three and five, strings backup one fret push PEDAL,S five and six down together, DOUBLE note the same stringS you do the double noteING just as you hit the second string. Then back to the G position, if you want to make a turnaround chord, Strum or fan the back strings, move up one fret with five and six down, one more fret six pedal only.
This is really a good intro for steel guitar rag and other good jazz songs. |
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Bob Hoffnar
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Austin, Tx
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Posted 6 Dec 2015 7:04 am
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Another way to look at it would be to figure out what chords you are playing. Then mess around on your other tuning with them.
Here is one of many ways to look at that voice leading phrase.
1st: E minor or G 6
2nd: G Aug
3rd: G major or Em7
4th: A7
There are many many more ways to look at that sequence.
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Bob Hoffnar
From:
Austin, Tx
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Posted 6 Dec 2015 8:23 pm
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A7? The notes are G B C#.  |
That is one of the most common voicings for a 7th chord in the E9 tuning. Same exact notes as A7 at the 10th fret with A and B pedals along with the E to Eb lever.
If you had a whole step lower on your 6th string you could even do the pedal move that lowers the B (9th) to the A (root)
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Daniel Morris
From:
Westlake, Ohio, USA
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Posted 7 Dec 2015 7:57 pm
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Thanks, Bob & b0b and everyone.
Bob H: I get that there could be numerous chords associated with what I initially spelled out. I use that 5th string lower as a b5 (Gb5 in this case), but I was just trying to get a (6th) sense of how this all might be done to fuller effect. Wider string grips, strums - it seems a common sort of run, but with a variety of (chordal) options.
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1979 MSA U12 Pedal Steel
1982 Kline U12 Pedal steel
2019 Sierra U12 Pedal Steel
2011 Bear Creek MK Weissenborn
Milkman 40W Mini amp w/Telonics 15" speaker.
Dr. Z Surgical Steel w/TT 15" speaker.
Frenzel MB-50 head.
Spaceman, Empress, Eventide, Pigtronix. |
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