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Topic: metric nylons |
Bob Cox
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Posted 24 Sep 2015 8:45 am |
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| American builders ,please use USA size tunners on your American built steels. Those metric ones don't fit the tunners on the market. If you build a steel in a different country then use metric, which is your Countrys system. |
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Ken Pippus
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Langford, BC, Canada
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Posted 24 Sep 2015 9:33 am
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| metric nylons. New fetish, or great band name? |
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 24 Sep 2015 11:02 am
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Metric sucks wherever you live. My homebuilt PSG uses #10-32 and #8-32 threads, and instead of #6 I use 4BA which is a comparable old British one. I did use some 5mm bolts constructing the frame, but they're crude items with no musical properties at all.
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Ross Shafer
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Petaluma, California
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Posted 24 Sep 2015 2:06 pm
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"Metric sucks wherever you live."
Seriously? |
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Ian Rae
From:
Redditch, England
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Posted 25 Sep 2015 12:01 am
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Fairly serious. The UNF and UNC series (as we call them) and the BA instrument threads have an elegance which the metric equivalents lack. Something to do with the thread profile, I think. The metric stuff looks cheap, which it is probably designed to be. On paper, a 5mm is closely equivalent to a #10-32, but in the hand it's nothing like.
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Olli Haavisto
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Jarvenpaa,Finland
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Posted 25 Sep 2015 12:20 am
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I thought the nylon tuners are self threading
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 25 Sep 2015 1:10 am
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I haven't used them, but it's possible that a hole meant for a 3mm thread doesn't go easily on to a 1/8" (3.175mm) rod. 3mm and 1/8" are not as equivalent as most hardware stores and metal stockholders find it convenient to believe.
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Ross Shafer
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Petaluma, California
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Posted 25 Sep 2015 5:58 am
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"Fairly serious. The UNF and UNC series (as we call them) and the BA instrument threads have an elegance which the metric equivalents lack. Something to do with the thread profile, I think. The metric stuff looks cheap, which it is probably designed to be. On paper, a 5mm is closely equivalent to a #10-32, but in the hand it's nothing like."
Wow.... |
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Jon Light
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 25 Sep 2015 6:53 am
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I'm not interested in a discussion of which is superior.
But what I am assuming the OP is discussing is outer dimensions. Jerry Fessenden uses nylon hex material that is just slightly larger than the standard tuning wrench. The standard tuning wrench does not fit the Fessy nuts. It is annoying to have to mark my wrenches so that I have the right one with the right guitar. I do not understand the reason for this choice. |
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Ian Rae
From:
Redditch, England
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Posted 25 Sep 2015 7:03 am
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Ross, I know from previous posts that you are a knowledgeable man. Maybe I just have a thing about American nuts 'n' bolts. I discovered them when I needed to repair my first PSG, and I have used them on my homebuild because they just feel right. Is there no room for emotion in engineering?
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Jon, now I understand the question - thank you. Never mind, I enjoyed myself.
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Bob Knight
From:
Bowling Green KY
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Posted 25 Sep 2015 7:36 am
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The 3/16" tuning wrenches can be "tweaked" a little by driving a tapered punch into them lightly.
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 25 Sep 2015 7:55 am
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I don't think my wife's nylons are metric. She was born in the USA.  |
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Bob Cox
From:
Buckeye State
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Posted 29 Sep 2015 2:22 pm
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| I was talking of the outer dimension. I have the odd size and the normal sold tuners are too small and will naw them up if you use them. I am changing them to USA Size 3/16 |
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Bob Knight
From:
Bowling Green KY
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Posted 29 Sep 2015 3:21 pm
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| Bob Cox wrote: |
| I was talking of the outer dimension. I have the odd size and the normal sold tuners are too small and will naw them up if you use them. I am changing them to USA Size 3/16 |
REPEAT The 3/16" tuning wrenches can be "tweaked" a little by driving a tapered punch into them lightly.
They will then work on 5mm. nuts, as well as on the standard 3/16.
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 29 Sep 2015 3:42 pm
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| if'n yer wrench don't fit on yer tunner, get a bigger hammer! |
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Bob Knight
From:
Bowling Green KY
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Posted 29 Sep 2015 5:33 pm
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You've got it Chris. 
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Doug Earnest
From:
Branson, MO USA
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Larry Bressington
From:
Nebraska
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Posted 30 Sep 2015 5:50 am
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It don't come any easier than metric, if you can count to 10, you can do metric....Old measurements are way more confusing....Please Everybody get on the metric train, it's been around since the greeks, and it's a global standard.Lets not regress into old school manufacturing, let's adapt new school. 
1/4 8th, 16th, 32nds, 64th's? I much prefer 5mm 5.5mm, 6mm, 7mm 8mm, 9mm 10mm.
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Martin Weenick
From:
Lecanto, FL, USA
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Posted 30 Sep 2015 6:29 am Tuning nuts
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The nylon tuning nuts are not precision made. I bought 2000 of them from a company in Arkansaw and I would have to go through 12 or 15 nuts to find one that would easily fit a 3/16 socket. The answer is to buy a 5 mm tuning wrench. These work perfectly. I got mine from Michael Yahl. Martin.
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Henry Matthews
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Texarkana, Ark USA
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Posted 30 Sep 2015 12:26 pm
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| Larry Bressington wrote: |
It don't come any easier than metric, if you can count to 10, you can do metric....Old measurements are way more confusing....Please Everybody get on the metric train, it's been around since the greeks, and it's a global standard.Lets not regress into old school manufacturing, let's adapt new school.
1/4 8th, 16th, 32nds, 64th's? I much prefer 5mm 5.5mm, 6mm, 7mm 8mm, 9mm 10mm. |
Not me, I'll have to agree with the late Paul Harvey. I believe he once said that the metric system should have been left overseas and not even allowed in the U.S. I can see the advantage if you were brought up with that system but I wasn't and it's confusing a h*** and I'm too old to change, LOL.
Martin, Arkansaw is spelled Arkansas :)Since you live in Floridia, you may not know that.
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D-10 Magnum, 8 &5, dark rose color
D-10 1974 Emmons cut tail, fat back,rosewood, 8&5
Nashville 112 amp, Fishman Loudbox Performer amp, Hilton pedal, Goodrich pedal,BJS bar, Kyser picks, Live steel Strings. No effects, doodads or stomp boxes. |
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Martin Weenick
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Lecanto, FL, USA
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Posted 30 Sep 2015 1:41 pm
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Henry, I spelled it 4 different ways and that looked the best to me. I knew my education would catch up to me one day. Isn't that where Hillery is from ?????
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 30 Sep 2015 2:14 pm
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I admire the fact that in the U.S. the metric system seems to be a minority pursuit. It may be necessary for scientists who deal in massive or tiny numbers but it has no place in everyday life.
Over here we have both systems operating side by side. A gallon might mean 4.5 litres or it might mean 5. Half inch is 12mm if you're buying steel bar or 15mm if you're buying copper tube. An 8'x 4' board is 8 feet long, but an 8' batten to nail it to is 2400mm (= 7'10½").
This is what is known as a British Compromise, and is to do with the fact that although we'd rather not have to trade with Europe (is Britain in Europe? - no use asking me, I live here) we need to survive.
Fractions of inches are much easier to divide in your head than numbers of millimetres.
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 30 Sep 2015 3:11 pm
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if you tinker with anything mechanical, cars, bikes, motorcycles, etc. you end up needing both types.
it's been that way my whole life.
all you need to work on most cars these days are a 10 and a 12mm wrench.
my tool box has always been mixed.
where have you all been? |
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Henry Matthews
From:
Texarkana, Ark USA
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Posted 30 Sep 2015 4:21 pm
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| Martin Weenick wrote: |
| Henry, I spelled it 4 different ways and that looked the best to me. I knew my education would catch up to me one day. Isn't that where Hillery is from ????? |
Lol, Hilery and Bil from here, and I hop they don't come back.
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Henry Matthews
D-10 Magnum, 8 &5, dark rose color
D-10 1974 Emmons cut tail, fat back,rosewood, 8&5
Nashville 112 amp, Fishman Loudbox Performer amp, Hilton pedal, Goodrich pedal,BJS bar, Kyser picks, Live steel Strings. No effects, doodads or stomp boxes. |
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Olli Haavisto
From:
Jarvenpaa,Finland
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Posted 6 Oct 2015 8:31 am
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Do you remember the European country classic " 220 volt Neons and Metric Nylons (really turn me on)" ?
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