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Lane Gray
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Posted 8 Sep 2015 8:02 am |
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I have a Milkman Half and Half coming!
Been ordered and paid for and everything!
Blonde Tolex and wheat grille cloth, Telonics 12" open back with the series wired extension jack for my closed-back 15. Waiting to hear from Mather Cabs for a quote for a matching cab.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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Stephen Abruzzo
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Philly, PA
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Posted 8 Sep 2015 8:15 am
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Sweet.
Waiting is the hardest but most fun part of buying "boutique" or "hand-made". It's the anticipation of "stellar".
Pertains to lap steels as well as amps.
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Steve Lipsey
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Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 8 Sep 2015 8:28 am
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Congrats!!
Now you need to go out and get about 40lbs. of bricks to add in the back of the Half and Half cabinet so that it feels like your Twin when you pick it up....
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Len Amaral
From:
Rehoboth,MA 02769
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Posted 8 Sep 2015 8:32 am
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| Congrats Lane......nothing like anticipation of new gearπ |
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Frank De Vincenzo
From:
The Garden State
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Posted 8 Sep 2015 11:10 am Re: The waiting is the hard part
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| Lane Gray wrote: |
| Telonics 12" open back with the series wired extension jack for my closed-back 15. |
What does "series wired" mean Lane? And why would you want to do that?
Thank you in advance,
Frank
Oh and BTW- congratulations on your new amplifier!
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 8 Sep 2015 11:35 am
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The amp needs to see either 4 or 8 Ohms, and my extension speaker is 4 Ohms. I'll get the 4 Ohm Telonics 12 in the combo.
So, as I understand it, the extension jack has switching in it so that plugging in the cable activates series wiring so that my two 4s make 8. Make sense?
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Frank De Vincenzo
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The Garden State
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Posted 8 Sep 2015 12:05 pm
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Thank you for trying to help me understand what I am sure is very basic electronics, but I am such a complete dolt when it comes to this I have no idea what any of this means. I really appreciate your effort.
Thank you Lane,
Frank
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 8 Sep 2015 12:49 pm
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| Lane Gray wrote: |
The amp needs to see either 4 or 8 Ohms, and my extension speaker is 4 Ohms. I'll get the 4 Ohm Telonics 12 in the combo.
So, as I understand it, the extension jack has switching in it so that plugging in the cable activates series wiring so that my two 4s make 8. Make sense? |
Is that true? I assumed it was parallel wiring, like most amps.
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 8 Sep 2015 1:37 pm
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He was pretty clear. The amp needs to see either 4 or 8, and since my extension speaker is 4, the way to get 4 or 8 is to put a 4 inside it, and make the extension speaker in series. Clever boots, is Tim.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Craig Baker
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Eatonton, Georgia, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 8 Sep 2015 2:58 pm
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Lane,
Should work fine, just make sure the speakers are phased properly. If they're sitting next to each other facing the same direction, both cones must go in at the same time and out at the same time.
(If they are across the room from each other and facing each other, one cone must go in when the other goes out.)
In either case, it's easy to test with a flashlight battery.
Craig
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 8 Sep 2015 5:38 pm
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My Half & Half only has one speaker jack. It goes to the internal 4 ohm 15" Telonics. No jack for an external speaker. 
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 8 Sep 2015 5:49 pm
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Custom feature. If you want it, I bet he can add it.
My Ultralinear Twin has me spoiled with the combination of open back 12 with closed back 15. I wanted to keep that.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Tom Gorr
From:
Three Hills, Alberta
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Posted 8 Sep 2015 6:47 pm
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| How well does a SS amp handle an open speaker circuit?....if it were an all tube amp I would be arguing for parallel jack. .. eg...trading your 4 ohm for an 8. |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 8 Sep 2015 7:02 pm
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If I had an 8 Ohm 15, I'd have thought about that. But I'm VERY happy with my Sica 15.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Mike Wheeler
From:
Delaware, Ohio, USA
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Posted 9 Sep 2015 10:15 am
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| Tom Gorr wrote: |
| How well does a SS amp handle an open speaker circuit?....if it were an all tube amp I would be arguing for parallel jack. .. eg...trading your 4 ohm for an 8. |
In simple terms.....
SS can't take short circuits, but can handle open circuits just fine.
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Bob Hoffnar
From:
Austin, Tx
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Posted 9 Sep 2015 11:44 am
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Lane,
Let us know how you like it. I've been using my Half and Half for most all my gigs lately and I love it.
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Steve Lipsey
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Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 9 Sep 2015 11:47 am
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Do note that the amp (solid state power amp) will put out Β½ the power into 8 ohms that it can put into 4 ohms...adding a speaker will get you a nicer tonal palette, but somewhat less power. Probably not an issue with 300 watts available...but if you need to be louder, unplug the second speaker...
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Williams S10s, Milkman Pedal Steel Mini & "The Amp"
Ben Bonham Resos, 1954 Oahu Diana, 1936 Oahu Parlor |
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George Redmon
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Muskegon & Detroit Michigan.
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Posted 9 Sep 2015 6:59 pm
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Steve Wrote:
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| Do note that the amp (solid state power amp) will put out Β½ the power into 8 ohms that it can put into 4 ohms... |
Steve, when it comes to the Milkman Half & Half amplifier. That simply is not the case. Here is what the builder Tim Markus had to say about it.
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| I did an AB test yesterday with two of my Half and Half amplifiers. One had the Double T rated at 8ohms and the other had a similar Eminence speaker rated at 4ohms. There was no volume difference whatsoever with the amps set exactly the same. |
Also with my Milkman Half & Half which has custom wiring as well, using two 4ohm speakers. I find the same to be true. I notice no difference to speak of in terms of performance, or power. Just tone to the bone. |
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Steve Lipsey
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Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 9 Sep 2015 10:33 pm
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Well...the Bang & Olufsen spec sheet for the ICEPower amp clearly states the power difference...but half the power isn't really much less perceived loudness, due to the nonlinear way power works...I suspect you'd see it more in some extra clean headroom, rather than in simply "louder", the amp will push out more but distortion goes up...
http://www.icepower.dk/en/solutions/speaker/ASC_SERIES
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Williams S10s, Milkman Pedal Steel Mini & "The Amp"
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John Limbach
From:
Billings, Montana, USA
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Posted 10 Sep 2015 4:58 am
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| Steve Lipsey wrote: |
but half the power isn't really much less perceived loudness, due to the nonlinear way power works
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Cut the power in half, lose 3db if memory serves. |
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Jim Palenscar
From:
Oceanside, Calif, USA
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Posted 10 Sep 2015 5:29 am
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I've got one at the shop- no waiting  |
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George Redmon
From:
Muskegon & Detroit Michigan.
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Posted 10 Sep 2015 7:46 am
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Believe me steve, you'll never hear it. JIM is a great guy to deal with. Get your Milkman from Jim.  |
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Charlie Thompson
From:
South Carolina, USA
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Posted 10 Sep 2015 10:40 am Half and Half
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Lane,.
I love mine w the 12" telonics. You'll love the power/headroom.
Tim made mine with a second channel for another instrument which I use all the time.
I've used it on big festival stages, small clubs and practice spaces. Covers them all.
I frequently will tell guitar players its 300 watts.. then ask them to see if they can lift it..HA! |
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