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Topic: Quilter amp this coming weekend |
Larry Behm
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Mt Angel, Or 97362
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Posted 10 May 2015 7:16 pm |
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I am going to have a Quilter amp for about a week starting the 13th, if you live in the Portland area and want to hear it, ring me up, let's play.
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'70 D10 Black fatback Emmons PP, Hilton VP, BJS bars, Boss GE-7 for Dobro effect, Zoom MS50G, Stereo Steel amp, Telonics 15” speaker.
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Larry Behm
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Mt Angel, Or 97362
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Posted 13 May 2015 7:55 pm
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The amp has arrived ya'll come.
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'70 D10 Black fatback Emmons PP, Hilton VP, BJS bars, Boss GE-7 for Dobro effect, Zoom MS50G, Stereo Steel amp, Telonics 15” speaker.
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Steve Spitz
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New Orleans, LA, USA
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Posted 14 May 2015 4:48 am Quilter
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Larry,
Let us know what you think of the amp, and what settings you prefer.
Thanks ! |
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Larry Behm
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Mt Angel, Or 97362
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Posted 14 May 2015 10:25 pm
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Steve with my 70 PP fat back and 409 Telonics pickups my settings and taste will vary from almost everyone else.
I am trying to tame the highs and fatten the upper mids and thin out the low end. Having said all of that I am getting closer, and the string separation is terrific. Did I mention the string separation.
If I just put the amp on the floor and shoot it under me or past me I would probably not notice the above characteristics, but I always point the amp to my head out front to test it as I want to know what adjustments I have to make to get the sound I want, as on the job you need to really understand those pesky knobs. For me it is important not to just crank the highs and blow on the audience or bass it down so your sound is not separate from the bass guitar.
Lynn Stafford is bringing home a Pro, which has a deeper cabinet so we will test the two side by side.
I also tried a BW 1501-DT with the amp, every amp has it's own sound ie Twin, N400, Cube, Session and so on. It is a matter of falling in love with any amp, or not.
With any amp set all the knobs straight up and add or subtract what you do or do not like. Remember knobs can go up as well as down.
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'70 D10 Black fatback Emmons PP, Hilton VP, BJS bars, Boss GE-7 for Dobro effect, Zoom MS50G, Stereo Steel amp, Telonics 15” speaker.
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Tony Glassman
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The Great Northwest
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Posted 14 May 2015 11:15 pm
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Now that I've had some time with the amp, I've come to the conclusion that I'm just not wild about the onboard reverb. For my ears, it seems to impart an annoying brittleness that I cannot dial out.
For the past couple of days, I've used a Hall of Fame reverb pedal instead of the quilter verb, which got rid of that sizzling brittleness. The tone is much smoother & sweeter using the HOF pedal. Night and day difference overall ! |
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Brad Sarno
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St. Louis, MO USA
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Posted 15 May 2015 6:47 am
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[quote="Larry Behm"]...but I always point the amp to my head out front to test it.../quote]
I have this discussion with guitarists, studio engineers, and soundmen quite often. In general, I advise STRONGLY against ever aiming a speaker at your head. And this isn't just because it's a very easy way to damage your hearing, but mostly because that sonic perspective directly in front of a speaker is NOT the sound anyone wants to hear nor is it indicative of the "tone" you'll be getting. Soundmen know to place the microphone a bit off axis, to the side of the center "beam" that radiates directly forward like a laser from the voice coil. We should never place our ears or mic's in that beam. The nature of the beam is that it's WILDLY more intense with treble content, and it's somewhat "coherent" like a laser which means it's highly concentrated energy and it travels very long distances without losing steam. Finding our sound with our head and ears a bit off-axis, off center from that beam is really where the true tone is.
We should always be conscious to NEVER aim that beam at a person or they'll get blasted. I generally have it aimed at the back of my seat so it gets blocked there. Or sometimes I'll tilt just a bit so it aims the deathray over people's heads. And I feel sad for the poor steel guitarist that aims that beam at the soundman. That not only angers the soundman but it can guarantee that you WON'T be in the PA mix because he thinks you're terribly loud when really it's that pesky beam/deathray that's hitting him in the ears making him think you're loud when you may not be.
So anyway, I rant on this topic a lot in sound conversations. That perspective directly in front of an amp speaker is deceptive and dishonest when it comes to knowing the real "tone" that exists almost everywhere BUT in the direct path of the "beam".
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Larry Behm
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Mt Angel, Or 97362
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Posted 15 May 2015 8:55 am
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Brad I hear you loud and clear. because I do not want to blast the sound man or audience I tend to do a more of this than even I want to. I would love to just act like a guitar player, show up drop your amp on the floor and turn up, but that is just not me.
Tony I am going to try the reverb tip.
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'70 D10 Black fatback Emmons PP, Hilton VP, BJS bars, Boss GE-7 for Dobro effect, Zoom MS50G, Stereo Steel amp, Telonics 15” speaker.
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Greg Cutshaw
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Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 15 May 2015 9:23 am
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| I also found the HOF pedal reverb to be a bit more lush than the amp's reverb. The HOF also warms up the tone a bit when placed in line in a way that I can't seem to duplicate with the amp's controls. |
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chris ivey
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california (deceased)
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Posted 15 May 2015 9:41 am
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| so it's a difficult amp to eq naturally and it needs a different reverb? |
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Larry Behm
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Mt Angel, Or 97362
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Posted 15 May 2015 10:19 am
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Chris to be fair, everyone hears it different, it does not mean that the reverb is bad. I liked the reverb but I do not use much of it, just a taste so it did not bother me. I tried my fx pedal and did not notice much difference in the ice picky sound again I do not use a lot.
After coming as close as the knobs would let me, to a sound I liked, I added an eq pedal and made some adjustments there to fill in what I wanted to or did not want to hear. I could be good to go now.
Adding extra eq(ing) is ok in my book, no different than changing out a speaker, of switching cabinet size, or pickups, or adding chips, they can all play a part.
ON ANY AMP, OR ANY GUITAR, can you live with it right out of the box or will you have to "tinker" with it, I always tinker, that is just me, looking for an edge, at least in my mind.
THIS IS A GOOD AMP, may not be for everyone but what is, this is why we have choices. This is a good choice as well.
Did I happen to mention great string separation?
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'70 D10 Black fatback Emmons PP, Hilton VP, BJS bars, Boss GE-7 for Dobro effect, Zoom MS50G, Stereo Steel amp, Telonics 15” speaker.
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Doug Beaumier
From:
Northampton, MA
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Posted 15 May 2015 10:48 am
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| ...to be fair, everyone hears it different, it does not mean that the reverb is bad. |
I agree. I love the reverb in my Quilter. It's one of the best features IMO. I no longer have to take along and plug in an outboard reverb.
Tinkering with the settings at home is very important, of course, but you'll find that when you get out on a bandstand with bass, drums, and vocals blasting you will probably have to re-tweak the settings... as you would with any new, unfamiliar amp.
My prior amp was a Fender Steel King, so I'm used to hearing a lot of lows. The Quilter has enough lows but not as much as the Steel King. I just put the Quilter on the floor (at gigs) instead of up on a stand and that does make a difference... to my ears.
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chris ivey
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california (deceased)
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Posted 15 May 2015 12:07 pm
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i'm just saying, 'icepicky highs' is not a good recommendation for a steel amp. neither is having to 'add' an eq unit. i plug into a peavey steel amp and it basically sounds usable right off the bat.
to be fair, i have heard from friends that they really like the quilter, so yes, larry might just be a little picky. |
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Dick Wood
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Springtown Texas, USA
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Posted 15 May 2015 1:20 pm
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The reverb not sounding brittle was one of my likes about the Quilter so I stopped using my HOF pedal.
Everyone's different I suppose.
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Larry Behm
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Mt Angel, Or 97362
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Posted 15 May 2015 5:31 pm
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Doug, I as stated above I tweak at home to learn more about how the controls sound, I always readjust in the live situation.
Chris I am more than a "little picky" but that is ok too. When other pro players ask for my opinion I can only assume they feel I have something worth while to offer. I do the same with others looking for something I may be missing. Boys we are in this together.
THIS IS A REALLY GOOD AMP
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'70 D10 Black fatback Emmons PP, Hilton VP, BJS bars, Boss GE-7 for Dobro effect, Zoom MS50G, Stereo Steel amp, Telonics 15” speaker.
Phone: 971-219-8533 |
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chris ivey
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california (deceased)
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Posted 15 May 2015 5:44 pm
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i know larry. i shouldn't tease you. you do a lot to help other players.
i've spent years trying to figure out how to get a tone and years finding a tuning concept that worked well. now that i'm old and lazy and stopped fighting it, it seems things are working out ok. |
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Les Cargill
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Oklahoma City, Ok, USA
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Posted 15 May 2015 5:52 pm
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| Tony Glassman wrote: |
Now that I've had some time with the amp, I've come to the conclusion that I'm just not wild about the onboard reverb. For my ears, it seems to impart an annoying brittleness that I cannot dial out.
For the past couple of days, I've used a Hall of Fame reverb pedal instead of the quilter verb, which got rid of that sizzling brittleness. The tone is much smoother & sweeter using the HOF pedal. Night and day difference overall ! |
I like the reverb well enough - it is a bit brittle if you don't roll some top end off it , but it stays in the background.
*At level*, in combat conditions, the reverb sounds better than it does at home.
This being said, I prefer the long, five-spring Fender reverb but that's definitely a secondary consideration. |
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Morton Kellas
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Chazy, NY, USA 1
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Posted 15 May 2015 6:35 pm
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| I love the Quilter reverb with the dwell and tone control and have no problem dialing in a great tone, so much so that I sold my HOF as I found that I no longer needed it. Just my taste and many compliments to go along with it. |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 15 May 2015 9:18 pm
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Chris, I appreciate your snark, but I'd have to say that the best-sounding amp I own is NOT easy to dial in: my Super Twin Reverb has NINE knobs of EQ (four knob passive tone stack PLUS a five band active EQ). It's dead easy to make it suck.
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chris ivey
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california (deceased)
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Posted 15 May 2015 11:18 pm
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that may be lane. what i'm saying about the peaveys (in my case an ltd and a nv400) though they may not be 'the best' sounding amp in the world, they are easy to dial in a workable tone for steel guitar, which is what they were designed for.
i don't feel like i need (or deserve) something better. i've still got plenty of improving to do on my own. |
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Olli Haavisto
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Jarvenpaa,Finland
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Posted 16 May 2015 12:22 am
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The EPS speaker takes a little time to break in, I've noticed.
In 50 hours or so the highs will be smoother and the overall response more even.
I'm sure that will make the reverb sound better, too.
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Steve Spitz
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New Orleans, LA, USA
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Posted 16 May 2015 8:09 am Different strokes
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It's interesting how people hear things differently. I like the quilter reverb, and the three knob setup makes it easy , to my ear , to dial it in.
Interesting comment regarding the speaker break in, thanks Olli.
Larry, your comments are well taken regarding settings, thank you for the reply.
For those of you that chose to use another reverb source, did you go through the effects loop ? |
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Tony Glassman
From:
The Great Northwest
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Posted 16 May 2015 8:38 am Re: Different strokes
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For those of you that chose to use another reverb source, did you go through the effects loop ? |
I guess there's 2 ways to "skin that cat"
#1: place the reverb pedal before the the amp input (actually pre-amp) & the delay pedal in the FX loop. That would allow you to kick the delay in & out w/ the remote switch controller.
#2: daisy-chain them together via the FX loop, which would allow you to select the order that the FX's are "seen" by the signal.
Anyway, the thing I'm hearing in the Quilters reverb is a "metallic" quality immediately after pick attack and before the reverb tail. The dwell knob does nothing to change that, as it only adjusts the tail duration. The tone knob lessens but does not remove it and comes at the cost of reverb "lushness".
Maybe it's just my particular amp. I'll A/B it with Doug and Lynn's Quiter, then may be call Pat Quilter himself about it. I have tweaked the tone of the amp so it's fairly similar to my Rev Preamp + World 1.2 tone, which is good. |
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Karen Sarkisian
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Boston, MA, USA
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Posted 16 May 2015 5:46 pm
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I love my Quilter amp more every time I gig with it. No issue for me with the reverb, I had the tone turned all the way up on my last gig and I thought it sounded great. I seriously have zero problems getting a good sound out of this amp. It is the perfect match for my blackjack custom. Fender twin hasn't left the house since I got it. I actually think the quilter has a clearer tone. I use a sarno black box or freeloader both work great with the amp, and all my delay pedals sound good. Maybe my playing has improved since I got it, but I have never been happier with my tone. Quilter hit the nail on the head with this amp imo.
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Tony Glassman
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The Great Northwest
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Posted 16 May 2015 7:07 pm
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| Olli Haavisto wrote: |
The EPS speaker takes a little time to break in, I've noticed.
In 50 hours or so the highs will be smoother and the overall response more even.
I'm sure that will make the reverb sound better, too. |
I'm using a well-worn black widow 4 ohm 1501 in an open back cab |
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Larry Behm
From:
Mt Angel, Or 97362
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Posted 17 May 2015 8:45 am
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Karen the use of the BB is great idea, smooth the highs and clean up the bottom end. The Blackjack might not have the highs my PP has, but as stated above all components play a part.
Have you ever sat down to a different guitar or amp and heard things you had not heard before, like licks or melodies etc? Different gear can move you differently.
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