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Topic: SOS SOS Switching from Emmons to Day |
Bill Watson
From:
Florida, USA
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Posted 10 Jul 2015 9:36 am |
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Guys,
I just received my new Mullen SD 10 Royal Precision and I need to swap the the guitar over from and Emmons to a Day setup. Looking underneath the guitar there appears to be several ways to approach this.
As always I value your input, so what is the best (easiest) way to approach this and not blow the guitar up? Thank you in advance for your help and assistance. |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 10 Jul 2015 10:37 am
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Write down the way your guitar is rodded. Use a code you can understand and remember, like the following:
Pedal A: 5/B/2 10/C/2
Where you have string/bellcrank position¹/changer position²
Write it all down, even the ones you don't expect to change (they might be in the way, and have to move briefly).
Take lots of pictures.
¹ it's customary to start with A at the closest hole or slot to the shaft
² it's customary to start with 1 as the top hole in the raise finger.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Bill Watson
From:
Florida, USA
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Posted 10 Jul 2015 10:49 am Mullen
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| Thanks for the input. Is it easier to remove the entire cross rod and swap them or swap the little gizmos attached to the cross shaft? I apologize for my non technical jargon. |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 10 Jul 2015 10:54 am
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Gizmos are the bellcranks. Slide them along the shaft to the new position.
To make sure your pulls are straight, you could use a pen and straightedge to mark the places you'll want them.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Bill Watson
From:
Florida, USA
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Posted 10 Jul 2015 11:00 am Mullen
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| Thanks a million Lane. I think I can take it from here. |
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richard burton
From:
Britain
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Posted 10 Jul 2015 12:17 pm
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| As it's a new Mullen, why didn't you order it with the Day setup? |
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Mike Vallandigham
From:
Martinez, CA
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Posted 10 Jul 2015 12:34 pm
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If it's a brand new Mullen, do this very carefully.
They're set up SOOO well from the factory, you don't want to make it feel anything less than perfect.
That said, it's really easy. You may want to take some time (like a few beers worth) and just look at it, try to visually underatand it. Then take a nap, then look at it some more. It's smiple, but you want to have it in your head before tearing it appart.
Then document it as mentioned above before messing with it.
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Niels Andrews
From:
Salinas, California, USA
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Posted 10 Jul 2015 2:38 pm
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Just contact Mickey Adams his daughter lives in Florida he might be driving past your driveway! Nice guitar to screw up if you don't know what you are doing, and obviously you don't.
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Good Stuff like Zum S-12, Wolfe Resoport
MSA SS-12, Telonics Combo. |
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Bill Watson
From:
Florida, USA
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Posted 10 Jul 2015 3:07 pm Mullen
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| Guys as always thanks for the advice especially the correct alcohol consumption required to excel at this task. It can't be harder than rebuilding a 327...........can it? |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 10 Jul 2015 3:25 pm Re: Mullen
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| Bill Watson wrote: |
| Guys as always thanks for the advice especially the correct alcohol consumption required to excel at this task. It can't be harder than rebuilding a 327...........can it? |
But, it has to be high octane beer. None of this Bumhowser and Cars Light.
Actually, on the all pull guitars, switching is really easy. Everything you need to know has already been said. If I can do it, it can't be that hard, and I have done it several times on used guitars I have purchased, and other paople's guitars.
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Carter D10 8p/8k, Dekley S10 3p/4k C6 setup,Regal RD40 Dobro, Recording King Professional Dobro, NV400, NV112,Ibanez Gio guitar, Epiphone SG Special (open D slide guitar) . Playing for 54 years and still counting. |
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Mark van Allen
From:
Watkinsville, Ga. USA
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Posted 10 Jul 2015 7:41 pm
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Good advice… one thing I'll add that many forget is when you switch setups you'll most likely want to swap left knee levers as well, from Emmons E-F on LKL to Day on LKR to work with the A pedal. The thing many forget, besides swapping bell crank and changer positions is to also take careful note of the amount of pedal and lever travel and swap that as well. (E-F takes very little travel, E-Eb more so, etc.) Good luck!
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Stop by the Steel Store at: www.markvanallen.com
www.musicfarmstudio.com |
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Bill Watson
From:
Florida, USA
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 12:53 am Mullen
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Guys thanks again. Your input is invaluable. I will let you all know how the results of our endeavor. shortly Thanks to all of you for your help and assistance as I will be one deft alchaholic garage steel mechanic at the completion of this project. From lever travel to alcohol content by volume you leave no stone unturned.
On my way to get a case of Schlitz and a pint of Rebel Yell. Catch up with all you later. |
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Charlie McDonald
From:
out of the blue
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 3:05 am Re: Mullen
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| Bill Watson wrote: |
| ... leave no stone unturned. |
I believe that's leave no turn unstoned.
But.. what Lane said is true; selling my Day-set-up SD-10 I put it back to Emmons. I had charted Jim Palenscar's setup carefully,
and still didn't get backthe feel it had. It wasn't bad, but....
Much due diligence is required. Pictures, measurements, anything you see. |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 3:10 am
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The small adjustments in lever travel have a lot to do with it.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Charlie McDonald
From:
out of the blue
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 3:18 am
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That's exactly right, and it's all the way through the pedal/lever, stop, crosshaft, crank and endplate train.
I hope to write a small pamphlet on that, just as there are as many steps in grand piano regulation, and it has a documented order. |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 3:30 am
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Bill, was this dead new, or just new-to-you?
If it's factory-fresh, I can't get my head around not ordering it the way you want.
I WILL say that there is a huge feeling of satisfaction to doing it yourself but it may take a few weeks of fine tuning to get it as smooth as it was before.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Bill Watson
From:
Florida, USA
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 4:54 am Mullen
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| Lane.....It's new to me not factory new. I am not the brightest bulb on the tree but I would have ordered a Day from the factory. |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 5:19 am
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Smart choice. The feel of the levers may take some fiddling. But this ain't a hard job.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 5:53 am Re: Mullen
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| Bill Watson wrote: |
| Guys as always thanks for the advice especially the correct alcohol consumption required to excel at this task. It can't be harder than rebuilding a 327...........can it? |
Tuning a SB Chevy is a lot easier than tuning a pedal steel!  |
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Charlie McDonald
From:
out of the blue
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 5:56 am
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| Does it take less alcohol? |
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Ron Pruter
From:
Arizona, USA
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 12:58 pm
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Bill,
I looked up your phone number. I couldn't find it at first, then I finally found it under "Bar Fixtures".
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Emmons SKH Le Grande, '73 Fender P/J bass, Tick tack bass, Regal high strung, USA Nashville 112. |
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Mickey Adams
From:
Bandera Texas
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 2:24 pm Re: SOS SOS Switching from Emmons to Day
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| Bill Watson wrote: |
Guys,
I just received my new Mullen SD 10 Royal Precision and I need to swap the the guitar over from and Emmons to a Day setup. Looking underneath the guitar there appears to be several ways to approach this.
As always I value your input, so what is the best (easiest) way to approach this and not blow the guitar up? Thank you in advance for your help and assistance. |
I have a rodding chart, and can talk u through this, and how to set your travel stops...I PMd you my private number...
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Charlie McDonald
From:
out of the blue
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 3:22 pm
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There ya go Bill.
'Get a little conversation, drink a little red wine, listen to the music of Clifton Chenier....' |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 5:18 pm
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| it's nice to have so many helpful people. |
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Rich Upright
From:
Florida, USA
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Posted 12 Jul 2015 1:39 am
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Actually, why not just learn to play Emmons style? It is much more standard than day, and won't limit your possible future PSG choices, OR, your resale possibilities.
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A couple D-10s,some vintage guitars & amps, & lotsa junk in the gig bag. |
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