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Topic: why stereo ? |
Steven Welborn
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Ojai,CA USA
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Posted 12 May 2015 10:28 am |
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| I've never played a stereo rig with the exception of one time when a friend set me up briefly with my amp and his and i have to say it really sounded cool. More dimension or something and very pleasing to play. But I'm wondering what a stereo rig has that one amp head and two separated speakers doesn't. If it's tone/effects variation between the two amps, then what are the best ways to set that up -or- if simply running two amps separated but with basically same tone/effects does the trick, whats that got that one amp feeding two separated spkrs doesn't ? |
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Gerry Simon
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 12 May 2015 11:04 am
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| Reverb samples can be in stereo with subtle differences in reflections that create a spacial image...also back in the '70s I ran an echoplex thru a separate amp to a speaker on the other side of the stage that created a very cool big sound, like playing in a massive hall. With some of the new digital delays and modulators, you can have sweeping sounds that bounce around aka. Floyds quad f/x that would sweep around the auditorium. All that being said, when doing a concert and going thru a mono PA setup, those cool sounds are mostly lost to the audience. A lot of PA companies hate messing with stereo; just more work for them... |
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Steven Welborn
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Ojai,CA USA
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Posted 12 May 2015 12:58 pm
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so reverb samples and delay effects in devices i.e. Profex 2 and Strymon El Capistan delay unit with their stereo outs would ideally feed stereo amp set-up to reap the full benefit I gather. Since I have both these units I'm debating whether to snag a used Peavey DPC750 or two GK mb200's. DPC750 routes cheaper of course and I still need to acquire a couple speaker cabs with 12"'s most likely with small venues in mind. (I'm anxious for those new Toy neo 1201's to be available)
Any thoughts on DPC750 vs mb200's? |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 12 May 2015 2:24 pm
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| All that being said, when doing a concert and going thru a mono PA setup, those cool sounds are mostly lost to the audience. |
BINGO
I did the stereo thing for long enough to know that it is a whole lot of extra crap to carry around when I am the only one that can hear the stereo effect. Friends in the audience couldn't tell. After they said that it was not much different than when I used one amp, it was time to go back to only one amp.
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 12 May 2015 2:27 pm
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Years ago I had a rack and played in stereo. Some kinda Yamaha Amp, couple hundred watts per side. It sounded great to me on stage. One night Jimmy Kline stopped into the club, and I got him to sit in for a set will I tried to hustle a gal I had my eye on. We miked everything. We had a studio engineer as a paid band member. Our sound was so good people would tell us it was like listening to a cd. But less than halfway into the audience, the stereo steel sound was lost. Sold the rack.
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 12 May 2015 2:30 pm
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| But less than halfway into the audience, the stereo steel sound was lost. |
BINGO AGAIN. I'm surprised it made it that far. Did you run your stereo signal to the mixer and use two channels panned left and right?
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Greg Cutshaw
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Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 12 May 2015 3:03 pm
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| Stereo is worth it if you record a lot. You can also just record in mono then add stereo effects later in the mix. Stereo setups are a waste for the audience but if it sounds better in the near field at your listening position , you may find playing out more enjoyable. One thing that does sound great out in the audience, if you are not being mic'd, is having two speakers to spread the sound out more. |
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Steven Welborn
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Ojai,CA USA
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Posted 12 May 2015 3:18 pm
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| but if it sounds better in the near field at your listening position , you may find playing out more enjoyable. One thing that does sound great out in the audience, if you are not being mic'd, is having two speakers to spread the sound out more. |
exactly why i'm inquiring about this. Most of my current gig situations the band instruments are not mic'd let alone the steel and many are outdoors hence the need to "spread out" the sound. Plus "near field" would include the rest of the bands ears. |
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John Booth
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Columbus Ohio, USA
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Posted 12 May 2015 3:59 pm
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My stereo rig is nice here at home, but like the guys are saying, it's lost in a live environment so I usually haul a single Session to shows.
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Steve Spitz
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New Orleans, LA, USA
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Posted 12 May 2015 4:32 pm Sounds cool at home
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What John says. It's lost on a large crowd, and if it's a small unmiked gig, the larger 2 speaker footprint is a bit impractical.
If a twin style cab with two 12s could get the actual separation of sound to give a stereo sound, that would be cool, but Im guessing the speakers need a bit of distance apart to provide the stereo mojo ?
If I recall, someone had a technique involving stacking 2 NV112s through a stereo pedal. Maybe slightly angling each away from another, while stacked. It might be a way to get stereo effects with a small footprint, for a smaller room , unmiked.
I'd have a hard time justifying hauling two amps or two cabs , sounds like too much for a bar gig.
It would be cool if someone could get a stereo sound from one two speaker cabinet, for a small unmiked room.
It does sound really cool at home. |
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John Booth
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Columbus Ohio, USA
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Posted 12 May 2015 5:05 pm
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I have a GD Walker SS and the cabs are very light and the rack's no heavier than a NV112, and for the shows I do the SS would work fine unmilked, but it's just not necessary in a club since after about 10 feet the stereo gets lost anyway. But here at home, well, I like to treat me right and feel that lush true stereo.
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 12 May 2015 6:37 pm
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Even if the individual pieces are light, it could still mean extra trips from the car into the venue. As we get older, or just plain old in my case, the fewest number of trips is as important as the weight of the items.
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