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Topic: Want to Carbon Fiber your guitar? |
John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 16 Feb 2015 11:46 am |
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"74 Bud S-10 3&6
'73 Bud S-10 3&5(under construction)
'63 Fingertip S-10, at James awaiting 6 knees
'57 Strat, LP Blue
'91 Tele with 60's Maple neck
Dozen more guitars!
Dozens of amps, but SF Quad reverb, Rick Johnson cabs. JBL 15, '64 Vibroverb for at home.
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Michael Hummel
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Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 16 Feb 2015 6:04 pm
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Why would you want to do that to the beautiful wood on a Sho~Bud? Well at least it's beautiful to me.
By the way John -- what do you really look like?
I always smile when I see your avatar, but it would be cool to see the real you!
Mike
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 16 Feb 2015 7:31 pm
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I certainly wouldn't do that to a Shobud! But,,, many new guitars look alike.
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Dr. Z Surgical Steel amp, amazing!
"74 Bud S-10 3&6
'73 Bud S-10 3&5(under construction)
'63 Fingertip S-10, at James awaiting 6 knees
'57 Strat, LP Blue
'91 Tele with 60's Maple neck
Dozen more guitars!
Dozens of amps, but SF Quad reverb, Rick Johnson cabs. JBL 15, '64 Vibroverb for at home.
'52 and '56 Pro Amps |
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William Liemandt
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New Mexico
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Posted 16 Feb 2015 9:00 pm
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Off the subject but, I must say John, that other than the feline accoutrement, you look very much like just a normal guy. I always pictured you as a "Popeye" sort of character on an overload of spinach. Maybe you should have stayed behind the old avatar -and FWIW - my lady friend digs that more.
I know absolutely nothing about women. |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 16 Feb 2015 9:03 pm
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Lost that kitty, Hu, a year ago. I still miss her so much! But that's the last pic you'll see of the real me!
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Dr. Z Surgical Steel amp, amazing!
"74 Bud S-10 3&6
'73 Bud S-10 3&5(under construction)
'63 Fingertip S-10, at James awaiting 6 knees
'57 Strat, LP Blue
'91 Tele with 60's Maple neck
Dozen more guitars!
Dozens of amps, but SF Quad reverb, Rick Johnson cabs. JBL 15, '64 Vibroverb for at home.
'52 and '56 Pro Amps |
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William Liemandt
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New Mexico
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Posted 16 Feb 2015 9:11 pm
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| Most sorry to hear about your cat's demise, but c'mon old fella, don't let me be the cause of your hanging behind an old avatar photo. Even my gal says to just hang it all out for all of us to see. |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 16 Feb 2015 9:13 pm
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurn
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Dr. Z Surgical Steel amp, amazing!
"74 Bud S-10 3&6
'73 Bud S-10 3&5(under construction)
'63 Fingertip S-10, at James awaiting 6 knees
'57 Strat, LP Blue
'91 Tele with 60's Maple neck
Dozen more guitars!
Dozens of amps, but SF Quad reverb, Rick Johnson cabs. JBL 15, '64 Vibroverb for at home.
'52 and '56 Pro Amps |
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William Liemandt
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Posted 16 Feb 2015 9:51 pm
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Apologies John, for taking this subject off track - not my intent at all. Allow me to get back to the subject.
I am fascinated by new materials applied to the PSG. Who amongst us would not be delighted by an S-10 weighing in at 15 pounds? Maybe a D-10 at 22 pounds? Combining carbon fiber, with perhaps titanium under carriage components, could revolutionize this small industry.
I'm a traditional nice figured wood sort of guy and it would be very hard for me to give this up. But I am aging too, like the rest of us, and would be tickled pink by a guitar at half the weight. I was a big time scuba diver for some years and the titanium components let me extend my diving career by many years.
Why should I think this wouldn't be the same blessing for PSG as it was for diving?
Carbon fiber PSG bodies may look like hip-hop s**t today, but let's give then some time and encouragement and I bet they can look like figured Birdseye maple in no time.
What say the rest of you? |
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Charlie McDonald
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Posted 17 Feb 2015 4:39 am
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Offered for your consideration, John:
I don't understand women either, except that they like kittens.
After topics praising the tone of wood, I wonder if it's not important anymore.
I doubt c/f will ever be available in maple; it looks more like ash(es) to me.
And if someone runs over your carbon fiber steel, they'll get flat tires. |
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Ross Shafer
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Petaluma, California
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Posted 17 Feb 2015 7:05 am
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FYI....aluminum is .6 the density of Titanium, so unless replacement ti parts are substantially smaller, their aluminum predecessors are going to be lighter...no getting around the facts here. Don't get me wrong, Ti is a great material, but its not magic metal.
Add to that the MUCH higher cost of Ti over aluminum and the higher difficulty encountered in processing (machining, casting, forging, etc.) and using Ti in any substantial way on pedal steel guitars is pretty much a big no go.
Carbon...also a very cool material, but without extensive engineering, a well thought out and very carefully executed manufacturing process and LOTS of $ to throw at it, its far from a slam dunk replacement for the wood most commonly used on pedal steels. |
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DG Whitley
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Posted 17 Feb 2015 7:35 am
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Well, maybe not so much for lacquered guitars but what would it hurt for a mica guitar that has a lot of deep scratches or other damage, but very playable?
Could be a life saver for those types.
My 2 cents, YMMV. |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 17 Feb 2015 7:56 am
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DG,
That's the line I was thinking on too. My guitars are all lacquer, but replacing old mica with the carbon fibre might be interesting.
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Dr. Z Surgical Steel amp, amazing!
"74 Bud S-10 3&6
'73 Bud S-10 3&5(under construction)
'63 Fingertip S-10, at James awaiting 6 knees
'57 Strat, LP Blue
'91 Tele with 60's Maple neck
Dozen more guitars!
Dozens of amps, but SF Quad reverb, Rick Johnson cabs. JBL 15, '64 Vibroverb for at home.
'52 and '56 Pro Amps |
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Charlie McDonald
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Posted 17 Feb 2015 8:32 am
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| I wouldn't see the advantage without a loss in weight. |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 17 Feb 2015 8:35 am
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Charlie,
It's for the look. It's not structural, just cosmetic. Another choice instead of mica. If you go to the link, you'll see it's very, very thin. So thin that it can be rolled into a 1 inch tube.
JB
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Dr. Z Surgical Steel amp, amazing!
"74 Bud S-10 3&6
'73 Bud S-10 3&5(under construction)
'63 Fingertip S-10, at James awaiting 6 knees
'57 Strat, LP Blue
'91 Tele with 60's Maple neck
Dozen more guitars!
Dozens of amps, but SF Quad reverb, Rick Johnson cabs. JBL 15, '64 Vibroverb for at home.
'52 and '56 Pro Amps |
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Charlie McDonald
From:
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Posted 17 Feb 2015 8:42 am
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I see, kind of like Formula One steel.  |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 17 Feb 2015 11:47 am
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this is fun that john is so obsessed with the guy
who won't clarify his 'carbon fibre' steel guitar.
i get it...he won't tell us if it's a solid carbon fibre deck (which i doubt) or just an overlay as john suspects.
if it's an overlay it shouldn't have anything to do with the weight of the steel, yet the guy says his steel is so light he has to add ballast to keep it from floating away.
will we ever hear the facts? |
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Charlie McDonald
From:
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Posted 17 Feb 2015 2:31 pm
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steel is so light he has to add ballast to keep it from floating away
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That doesn't make sense.
Even if it had a 3/8" carbon fiber deck the steel would sink.
I'm outta here until they make it in blue swirl. |
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Will Cowell
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Cambridgeshire, UK
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Posted 17 Feb 2015 11:23 pm
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Well ok Chris, but the guy is very specific: "the deck is carbon fibre. The front apron is maple" - and he does major on the light weight. So maybe he does have a carbon fibre deck like he says. It wouldn't be solid though, CF is used in a composite, usually covering alloy honeycomb sheet. The corners are overlaid with aluminium angle, so he could have overlaid the wood on the front with carbon fibre sheet for decorative effect. I don't think he means it might float away on water, just that it would drift around when played under the action of feet and knees?
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