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Topic: B to Bb lower - Do you use it? |
Gareth Carthew
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West Sussex, UK
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Posted 3 Dec 2014 9:30 am |
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Hello all!
It's been quite a while since I've posted around here, I trust everyone is well?
I've been toying with adding a Franklin 4th pedal, but whilst considering the mechanics of making such a change to my less-then-straightforward underside I started looking at the B to Bb lower that I have on a knee lever.
The lever is basically redundant as I rarely use this change except to go to a minor from the AB down position, before resolving to no pedals.
I can get the same thing quite happily with a half A pedal.
It occurred to me that I could simply drop that Bb lower to A, and add the G# to F# change to it in place of a PF pedal (at least for a while).
But I'm still very much a beginner to steel (especially having only started playing again after a 2 year break) and before I ditch the B-Bb lower I wanted to sound you guys out? Am I missing some fantastic uses for that change? Buddy must have put it in his copedent for a reason... :/
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John Booth
From:
Columbus Ohio, USA
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Posted 3 Dec 2014 9:36 am
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I use the B to Bb on my Left Vertical
I like it.
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Jb in Ohio
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GFI S10 Ultra, Telecaster, a Hound Dog, and an Annoyed Wife
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Gareth Carthew
From:
West Sussex, UK
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Posted 3 Dec 2014 9:39 am
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Thanks John.
How do you tend to use it? |
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John Booth
From:
Columbus Ohio, USA
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Posted 3 Dec 2014 9:44 am
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If you play - say - 3 4 5 strings with no pedals and flat the B
it's a nice minor-seventh-ish 5 chord
I dunno what you call the chord but it's pretty
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Jb in Ohio
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GFI S10 Ultra, Telecaster, a Hound Dog, and an Annoyed Wife
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Greg Cutshaw
From:
Corry, PA, USA
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Tom Gorr
From:
Three Hills, Alberta
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Posted 3 Dec 2014 10:40 am
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| Hey Greg, curious to know what guitar, pickups, buffer, amp you were using in those clips...stellar tone |
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Gareth Carthew
From:
West Sussex, UK
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Posted 3 Dec 2014 10:49 am
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Ahhh Greg, you come up trumps again!
Thank you!
I used to follow your various little tutorials and snippets before everything went on hold for me. |
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 3 Dec 2014 11:33 am
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It's so important to me that I have it on RKL rather than the harder-to-use (for me, anyway) LKV.
Another use is for a #11 chord (9,7,6,5,4 with RKL).
Try (in C): 9,6,5 (6th fret) with RKL, move to fret 5 (no KL), then A pedal with RKL at fret 4, finally fret 3 with just the A pedal. Then resolve to the C chord.
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Roger Rettig: Emmons D10, B-bender Teles, Martins, and a Gibson Super 400!
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Greg Cutshaw
From:
Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 3 Dec 2014 11:48 am
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| Roger, agree that using this change on a vertical knee lever is very awkward and takes all the joy out of using it! |
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Greg Cutshaw
From:
Corry, PA, USA
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 3 Dec 2014 11:58 am
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Take a look at my two videos on the A# lever: I broke the subject up in its uses in major and minor chords.
Major chord discussion of A# lever: http://youtu.be/n9aEyTaD3YA
Minor key use of A# lever: http://youtu.be/Sn1IY1E-uKU
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 3 Dec 2014 12:15 pm
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Try eighth fret 8, 6, 5, 4 with pedals down (F major), drop to seventh fret - 9, 6, 5,4 (no pedals, but RKL), release (my) RKL and slide to fret six.
A nice transition from F to a Bb7.
For this, of course, that's my RKL - B to Bb.
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Roger Rettig: Emmons D10, B-bender Teles, Martins, and a Gibson Super 400!
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 3 Dec 2014 12:23 pm
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Ricky installed Coop levers on my '74 S-10, 3&6. I flat the Bs with the vertical, but,,,, Ricky put in a half stop, so I also get As on the vertical.
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 3 Dec 2014 12:34 pm
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Sweet use: turning the 5 tone of the IV chord to the 3 of V.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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Robert Parent
From:
Gillette, WY
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Posted 3 Dec 2014 2:03 pm
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The B to Bb is the only knee lever that never gets used on my guitar. I am goingto take a look at Greg's link, maybe that will change.
Robert |
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Robert Parent
From:
Gillette, WY
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Posted 3 Dec 2014 2:05 pm
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The B to Bb is the only knee lever that never gets used on my guitar. I am goingto take a look at Greg's link, maybe that will change.
Robert |
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Jack Stoner
From:
Kansas City, MO
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Posted 3 Dec 2014 2:08 pm
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I use it mostly for the minor, with the AB Pedals. (Split with the A pedal).
I also use it for the lick in Together Again. |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 3 Dec 2014 2:29 pm
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Never used it, so I took it off. I then put it on my 5th pedal, next to my A pedal to at least get the C note to get an Eaug chord. Still prefer the half pedal. I wanted something different on P5, so I put the Bb on the zero pedal. Only use it to get the partial Two nine chord, similar to pedal 5 on the C6th neck.
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 3 Dec 2014 2:47 pm
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| Lots of great Swing stuff available with that lever! |
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Bob Carlucci
From:
Candor, New York, USA
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Posted 3 Dec 2014 3:38 pm
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I have it on a vertical on my Carter, and its my least used lever by far.. I just dont get what the hubub is about that lever. Most guys use it in chord transitions with A and B pedals down.., etc.. I just half pedal, and call it good.... bob
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 3 Dec 2014 3:47 pm
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Any preference has to be influenced by what someone's individual musical priorities are, surely?
I can half-pedal, too, but there are so many applications where I want to lower that string below 'zero'.
Clearly you don't feel you need that particular function but I'll take it over the so-called Franklin pedal any day.
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Roger Rettig: Emmons D10, B-bender Teles, Martins, and a Gibson Super 400!
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 3 Dec 2014 3:49 pm
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"I'll take it over the so-called Franklin pedal any day."
Oh yeah! Like I said, there's a wealth of Swing style stuff in that lever! |
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Bob Hoffnar
From:
Austin, Tx
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Posted 3 Dec 2014 4:49 pm
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The 5th string half step lower is essential for me. I don't lower the 10th string though. On a basic level it gives you 5 whole steps in a row. It can give the E9 tuning a whole new dimension. It's like the D string. Once you find out what it can do it is hard to live without. I used to have a "Franklin" pedal but now I do the moves I used to use it for with bar movement.
BTW: I put the 5th st Bb lower on my right knee left. I don't use a vertical.
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