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Topic: Please help with info on this Shobud LDG. |
James Barker
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West Virginia, USA
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Posted 22 Oct 2014 6:38 pm |
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| I'll attach pictures below. I've owned a MSA classic D10 for about 2 years. 77 I think. I've been gigging a good bit lately and as I'm sure you know it's a beast to carry around. I recently found a sho bud LDG I can get for $800. How will the sho bud compare go my msa? I know MSA's aren't known to be tone machines but I get pretty good sounds with mine through a super reverb and it holds tune forever on all fronts. And it never breaks strings. The sho bud is light and has a good case. How does this one look and how will it hold up tone and reliability wise? Because it would be way easier to get around and leave the msa set up at home. (I'm still a complete dummy when it comes to the different ways steels work... push pulls ect... so all info is greatly appreciated. Thanks. |
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James Barker
From:
West Virginia, USA
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Posted 22 Oct 2014 6:46 pm
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 22 Oct 2014 9:30 pm
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At that price you can't go wrong.
It might need new nylon nuts and a small bit of oil.
I like it.
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Jim Cooley
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The 'Ville, Texas, USA
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Posted 23 Oct 2014 7:38 am
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James,
There are several forum members who are much more expert than I am. Lane is one of them. Others will probably chime in, and I hope they do. Here's my take. I like it, too. As far as build quality goes, I think it's hard to find a steel that's built better than a MSA. Tone is subjective, but to me, Sho-Buds are iconic. This one looks mid-70s or later. Those are notorious for having pot metal knee lever brackets that were subject to failure. Even though they might not be visible, I'd check for cracks at the stress points. That's not a deal breaker for me, though. There are lots of Sho-Buds out there that still have the original knee lever brackets. Aftermarket knee lever brackets are available from more than one forum member. The undercarriage photos look like there might be some rust on the cross rods and a couple of the pull rods, but that's easily remedied. Do any of the other other metal parts look like they have rust on them? Was the guitar exposed to moisture? Look for warping or separation between the wooden body parts like the joints between the top and aprons, and at the end plates. Other than that, as long as the pickup sounds good and there are no other obvious issues like cracks in the body or end plates, you might not have to do anything except put on a set of strings and play. BTW if you buy it, keep in mind that because Sho-Buds have a 24" scale length, a couple of the strings should be different gauges than steels with longer scale lengths. It has to with string tension. Heck, unless there's something seriously wrong that doesn't show up in the photos, it looks worth $800 to me regardless. I might know someone who wants it if you don't. |
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chris ivey
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california (deceased)
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Posted 23 Oct 2014 1:53 pm
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buy it! you'll never get a better deal on anything than that. you will love the sound and feel...it will be a little different than your msa.
that's a super deal!
but it now! |
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J R Rose
From:
Keota, Oklahoma, USA
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Posted 25 Oct 2014 4:44 am
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| That's a "STEEL" of a buy. J.R. |
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James Barker
From:
West Virginia, USA
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Posted 25 Oct 2014 8:54 am
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| As you can see. There is a little rust on some of the rods and a tiny bit on the legs. I don't mind putting a little more money and tlc into it if I get proper guidance. I don't have anyone locally to work on it . Also, I'll need to change the copedent on it to my msa settings and I have zero experience with that. All of this would be worth it to me for the weight difference. The MSA is really rough to carry around. Thanks for the input everyone. |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 25 Oct 2014 9:31 am
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you're wasting time.
it'll be gone before you're through overthinking it. |
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Storm Rosson
From:
Silver City, NM. USA
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Posted 25 Oct 2014 9:38 am
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What Chris said and be quick about it......  |
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Dave O'Brien
From:
Florida and New Jersey
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Posted 25 Oct 2014 10:38 am Sho-Bud vs. MSA
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Looks like my old MSA you have there - mine sounded great. I'd say buy the Sho-Bud and flip it for a profit and keep playing the MSA. Not only will you lose the fun of playing the C6th neck but I doubt you'll like the tone, sustain, tuning stability and general quality of the Sho-Bud as much as the MSA. Sure it's heavy but the Bud ain't that much lighter.
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Jason Putnam
From:
Tennessee, USA
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Posted 25 Oct 2014 12:33 pm
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Yes the tone is awful. Just ask Lloyd Green. The quality is sub par. I mean mine has only been around for 40 years now!
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Dave O'Brien
From:
Florida and New Jersey
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Posted 25 Oct 2014 1:07 pm Jason
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I still have several old Sho-Buds Jason, I sold them as a dealer for years and played them also but I have always avoided the later pot metal models like the one he's looking at appears to be (and your 1974 is likely not). And let's face it - Lloyd could make a kazoo sound good.
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Ronnie Boettcher
From:
Brunswick Ohio, USA
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Posted 25 Oct 2014 9:39 pm
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I would buy it in a minute. I have a LDG, and bought it new in 1977. I play it daily, and play it out too when I get the chance. I would say that LDG is a later model, that has the pot metal on it, by the looks of the straight knee levers. I would play it till something breaks, and maybe you will never have a problem with it. Go for it.
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 26 Oct 2014 8:54 am
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Buy it NOW!! It's nice to see that the LKL cross shaft is mounted at an angle. That helps to keep that bracket from breaking so easily. That lever is the only one I ever broke (3 times), because the cross shaft on my Super Pro had a straight cross shaft on that lever. That put the pressure from the knee pushing on that bracket at an angle from front right to rear left. I thought that was more of an issue than the pot metal parts.
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 26 Oct 2014 10:52 am
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| If I knew about it, and it was near me, you would've already lost your chance to buy it! $800???? That's an incredible deal! I couldn't pull my wallet out fast enough! With a day's worth of cleaning and polishing, I could easily double my money in two days! |
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Storm Rosson
From:
Silver City, NM. USA
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Posted 26 Oct 2014 1:04 pm
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If u don't want it ,send me the contact for the seller and I'll buy immediately if not sooner!...Stormy  I don't wanna flip it ,I just want to play it! |
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Ricky Davis
From:
Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 26 Oct 2014 3:29 pm
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In defense to the sound of Lloyd Green's LDG. Yes of course Lloyd can make anything sound great; but there are so many differences between the years of the LDG from beginning to end of production. Lloyd's is unlike ANY LDG ever made for one. For two; there were about 6 hUGE mechanical changes from the first year production to this later model LDG shown in this thread....which in fact is NOT an endorsed LDG "model" because it is NOT emerald green. Also you really can't compare all the different LDG changes thru the years to one another; let alone compare to a completely differently built guitar by another builder.
Ricky
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 26 Oct 2014 3:32 pm
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| I concur Ricky, but this is a Pro model guitar for only 800 smackers! About what an entry level guitar costs. Sure, it's not yours and mine favorite model by a long stretch, but I still think it's a fabulous deal Bro! Eh? |
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Ricky Davis
From:
Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 26 Oct 2014 5:00 pm
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OH yeah....absolutely a STEAL for 800 bux for sure.
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Fred Thompson
From:
Zephyrhills, FL
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Posted 27 Oct 2014 10:52 am
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BUY IT QUICK!! Then, before you put strings on, swap that pickup for a George L and you'll have as sweet a sound as that Bud can put out... 
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 27 Oct 2014 10:54 am
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WHAT?!? I'd rather leave the Bud pickup in, or send it to Jerry Wallace for a rewind (with a tap)
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J.C. Norris
From:
North Carolina, USA
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Posted 27 Oct 2014 10:30 pm
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James: I've owned both, the LDG and the MSA Classic.
Tone wasn't that great with the MSA but mechanically it was good. And the weight was awful.
The LDG was probably my favorite guitar until my Emmons Push, Pull. Wonderful tone, great sustain, much lighter! Don't think you would ever beat the price for the Sho -Bud either. Hope this helps.
J.C. Norris
1967 Push Pull, Peavey Nashville 112, 400, & 1000.
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J R Rose
From:
Keota, Oklahoma, USA
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Posted 28 Oct 2014 7:00 am
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| Well James, Have you got it in your hands yet? J.R. |
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James Barker
From:
West Virginia, USA
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Posted 8 Nov 2014 12:21 pm
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| Well, I've got it. I got upset because I thought it had been sold out from under me but it turns out that my father in law had bought it for me. So far it plays pretty good but I know it needs some work. Also I need to change the knees to e's on the left which I've never done. I'm hoping I can find someone locally to help. But overall I'm very happy. I look forward to taking the sho bud to shows and leaving the msa set up at home. Not tonight though. I'll be lugging the msa until I'm comfortable with the bud. |
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Jason Putnam
From:
Tennessee, USA
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Posted 8 Nov 2014 2:46 pm
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Changing the knees is easy if you are a little mechanical. Just take your time and do it one knee at a time. Keep the rods together with the knees they are attached to. It's just a simple thing of putting the pull rods through different changer fingers. I did mine about a month ago and had no problems and it was the first time I had done it.
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