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Topic: Sho-Bud Model ? HELP ! |
Brian Curtis
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Austin TX, USA
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Posted 18 Sep 2014 9:28 am |
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I recently inherited a beautiful old Sho~Bud. According to the serial #3384 it is a 1973. Can anyone please help me identify the model # ?
According to this web site http://www.planet.eon.net/~gsimmons/shobud/models.html it may be a Pro 1, but mine has 3 knee levers instead of 1.
Any other important details or info would also be greatly appreciated. Thanks
"Love the nail on one of the string changers"
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Derby SD10, '73 Sho-Bud Professional
Last edited by Brian Curtis on 18 Sep 2014 6:04 pm; edited 6 times in total |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 18 Sep 2014 9:57 am
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Pro 1 has an all-pull changer, and your axe has a pull-release changer (that one-piece finger).
If it's a 73, it's an upgraded Maverick, since I thought they quit making pro model pull-release by then, but that Fingertip tailpiece...
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Brint Hannay
From:
Maryland, USA
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Posted 18 Sep 2014 10:41 am
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Don't know that Mavericks ever had rope inlay on the apron and neck!
(NOTE: I am not an expert, just an interested onlooker.)
This is somebody's customization, not any actual Sho-Bud model, whatever it started out as. Those pedals are unlike any I've ever seen.
Is that a Permanent changer/tailpiece? All the holes in the underside show that somebody totally changed the undercarriage. If the serial # makes it (the body) a '73 (what is the serial #?), it would seem someone gutted its racks-and-barrels mechanics. The three large holes behind the neck, covered by the (non-original) mini-pad, were for controls, and would make it originally a Pro I--I think. But did they really change out a '73 changer for a Permanent changer?? |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 18 Sep 2014 10:45 am
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Good eye, Brint.
That channel-iron thing up by the pedal crossrods doesn't look Bud-like.
I'm thinking FrankenBud.
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Brian Curtis
From:
Austin TX, USA
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Posted 18 Sep 2014 11:51 am
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Thanks guys for responding. I have no history on this guitar whatsoever. Chassis and frame both have serial # 3384. From what you've said, I agree that it looks like someone has customized this guitar and changed out a lot of parts, etc. BTW, it has a sweeeet tone 
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Derby SD10, '73 Sho-Bud Professional |
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Ken Pippus
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Langford, BC, Canada
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Posted 18 Sep 2014 11:55 am
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| Round front, two knob holes and a switch, methinks this was a 6139 in a prior life. |
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Dana Blodgett
From:
California, USA
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Posted 18 Sep 2014 2:50 pm
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It's not a Maverick... it is a model #6139 or 6140 depending on the pedal bar but it looks to have been replaced with something different than original parts.The changer isn't original to the guitar either.Most Mavericks had cast iron endplates,slide in legs that secured with "wing-screw" is how i'd describe it.Under carriage has been replace also non original. Most Mavericks didn't have inlay.The "Birdseye Maple" Mavericks were very good sounding instruments,the under carriage was the weakest link.This is an early 1973 Sho-Bud professional.
My Sho-Bud is #4312,probably 1973
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Dana Blodgett
From Los Osos,Ca.
'74 ShoBud 6140 3+4, Martins HD28,D-12-28, D-15,'65 Gibson LG-1, '77 Gibson Les Paul special dbl cut p-90's, Les Paul Special p-100's,Les paul Special Hybrid(maple top) hbkr's,'68 Fender Strat reissue, Fender Squire Jazz bass,Epi mandolin,Epi Wilshire '66 reissue, Kamaka Concert uke, 70's Kamaka Soprano Uke, Fender Super amp, Ampeg ba112 bass amp,60's harmony banjo,'00 Gibson SG Supreme |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 18 Sep 2014 4:40 pm
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Very cool guitar! Someone didn't like the wide Shobud pedals, so they were changed. That's a Permanent changer. Interesting mechanics! I don't quite understand how two of the knees work, but the mechanics are pretty cool. And, Perms were the best-sounding Shobuds ever built, so I bet it sounds fantastic! The aluminum rail, where the pedal rods attach is pure old Shobud. Used in later Perms, and in all Fingertips. Here's a pic of the rail in my '63 S-10 Fingertip.
Cool guitar! Wish I had it! James Morehead can work miracles on Perms and F-tips! And nothing sounds better! |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 18 Sep 2014 5:28 pm
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I've sitting here with iPad zooming into the left knee lever. I see it attached to that rectangular doo- hickey, but even zooming in, I still can't see how it works. 
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 18 Sep 2014 5:30 pm
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| Me either Richard. Two of them don't seem to be hooked up to crossroads. |
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Brian Curtis
From:
Austin TX, USA
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Posted 18 Sep 2014 6:06 pm
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Thanks everyone for all the info and comments
I just posted another pic of the left knee lever.
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Derby SD10, '73 Sho-Bud Professional |
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Brint Hannay
From:
Maryland, USA
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Posted 18 Sep 2014 7:32 pm
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| John Billings wrote: |
| Someone didn't like the wide Shobud pedals, so they were changed. |
Has anyone seen pedals like those? They seem to match the pedal rack. Is that an anodized finish?
The new pic explains the rectangular doohickey. |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 18 Sep 2014 7:56 pm
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Brint,
Interesting. Everything about the pedals looks definitely Shobud, except for the "pads" I'm holding a '73 wide pedal in my hands right now, and there's no way the pads could be reshaped like on this guitar! But the rest of the pedal is very Shobud, just not the foot pads! The axle brackets are exactly the same as on my '73. If you zoom in, you can see another set of holes in the pedal bar, exactly three pedals distant from where the bracket is now located. The color? Maybe the pedal rack bar was just too scratched up to look good. Don't know, but an interesting guitar!
JB |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 18 Sep 2014 7:58 pm
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| Oh! And I pinged James about this guitar. His comments will certainly be more cogent than mine. Hope he chimes in! |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 18 Sep 2014 9:26 pm
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| the knee lever brackets look home made to position the levers to his liking. would be nice to hear the history of this thing. it looks good. i wonder if it could be a factory concoction. as skip says, they made all kinds of weird conglomerations with available parts. |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 18 Sep 2014 10:01 pm
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"the knee lever brackets look home made "
Dats fur shure. They're not Shobud brackets. I'm still wondering how they work!
But I think it's a very cool guitar. Shobud may have been filling a custom order for someone who wanted the Perm changer. Not impossible at all! I love it! A 6139-41 body made into a Perm? Extremely cool. |
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Ian Worley
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Sacramento, CA
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Posted 18 Sep 2014 11:40 pm
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| Ken Pippus wrote: |
| Round front, two knob holes and a switch, methinks this was a 6139 in a prior life. |
agreed...if so, I wonder what happened to the rest of the permanent the changer came from
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Bob Hickish
From:
Port Ludlow, Washington, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 19 Sep 2014 3:57 am
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agreed...if so, I wonder what happened to the rest of the permanent the changer came from
Ian’s photo shows what looks like an adjustable changer axel / adjustable bridge
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 19 Sep 2014 4:40 am
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Mavericks also never had the extrended body on the drivers side !
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Skip Edwards
From:
LA,CA
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Posted 19 Sep 2014 6:28 am
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Nothing surprises me anymore...
By the looks of the screw holes underneath, I'd say this gtr started life as a 6140. |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 19 Sep 2014 11:20 am
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"what looks like an adjustable changer axel / adjustable bridge "
Many Perms had "adjustable scales." The circled area appears to be the "ghost" of the original changer.
Sheesh, Wake up JB! Axle, not axel. Mannnnnnn! |
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Mike Farmer
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 24 Sep 2018 8:06 am
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| In the highlighted area looks like the origanal changer housing was removed and an older one replaced it. This changer housing is from the late 60's, when they had pull-release,which is what the changer is, and it is not a fingertip as I have one built in 1967. It would have been nice to see a end view from the business end (changer end)...Also the allen bolts with the springs are just a final lower stop for the changer.... |
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