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Jack Goodson

 

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Post  Posted 7 Sep 2014 6:26 pm    
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i need some photos of a carter changer (quad raise and double lower) i need one from the underside the guitar and one from the endplate looking straight at it....if anyone could email me these i would really appreciate it....just let me know and i will send my email address....thanks jack
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Jarek Anderson

 

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Post  Posted 9 Sep 2014 5:56 am    
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Keep us posted on your fix, Jack!

-Jarek
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Patrick Strain

 

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Post  Posted 9 Sep 2014 6:10 am    
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I have a 90's era Carter D-10. I could take some pics of the changer when I get home. Do you think it would be the kind you're looking for?

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Patrick Strain

 

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Post  Posted 9 Sep 2014 6:14 am    
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Actually, now that I think of it, the guitar's in my trunk. I could probably snap some photos on my lunch break, if you like.
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Patrick Strain

 

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Post  Posted 9 Sep 2014 7:51 am    
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I took some picture. Send me your email.
patrickmstrain@aol.com
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Jack Goodson

 

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Post  Posted 9 Sep 2014 8:08 am     email
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patrick: email address sent....thanks jack
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Jack Goodson

 

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Post  Posted 9 Sep 2014 9:42 am     photos of changer
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here are some photos of changer....i will try to add more phots later (don't know what happened it just won't upload any more)....thanks jack
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Richard Sinkler


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Post  Posted 9 Sep 2014 10:24 am    
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I believe there is no real difference in the changers except for the number of holes on the raise and lower fingers. Maybe where the rivet that holds the 2 plates together. If you need info on the changer that you can't see in photos, I would recommend contacting Al Brisco. He is one of the resident Carter experts.

I really wish I had the $$$ to buy a 4/2 changer from Al.
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Jack Goodson

 

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Post  Posted 9 Sep 2014 10:39 am     changer
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richard: the only thing that i see that makes the 4x2 changer line up different might be the length of the 4 hole fingers, someone sent me a photo of a 4x2 and it looks like mine but the 3x3 changer lines up even....thanks jack
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Patrick Strain

 

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Post  Posted 9 Sep 2014 10:40 am    
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Sorry, Jack. I didn't understand what you were asking for.
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Jack Goodson

 

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Post  Posted 9 Sep 2014 10:45 am     changer
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patrick: the first photo that you sent shows the fingers (3x3) are even, that gave me a comparison. all opinions and advice are really appreciated. i just really want to make sure before i put it together....thanks jack
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Richard Sinkler


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Post  Posted 9 Sep 2014 10:54 am    
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If I put a level on my C6 return springs and lift the end of the level above the E9 springs to get the bubble directly in the center, I get a distance that is pretty much equal to the step up from the C to E neck. This leads me to believe the fingers are the same in both changers. The 4/2 changer came along and the 3/3 was still an option. I don't think Carter re-tooled everything for the 4/2 changer. Of course I could be wrong as I don't have access to a 4/2 changer. Plus, Al only lists one replacement changer in his catalog with no option fro E9 or C6 neck, further making me believe they are all the same. But it could also mean the he acquired all the Carter parts, but there were only one changer in stock at the time Carter folded.
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Jack Goodson

 

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Post  Posted 9 Sep 2014 11:00 am     changers
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richard: both the c6th and e9th changers are identical, that was not the question i have, the 3x3 changers (fingers) line up at the same point up and down, but the 4x2 changers are offset as you can see in my first photos....thanks jack
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Lane Gray


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Post  Posted 9 Sep 2014 11:11 am    
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I suspect they're offset because the guitar is unstrung, so that the return spring holds the lower finger against the stop bar, but the spring pulls things off normal because they have no string to pull against. So instead of sitting st at neutral, the fingers have moved.
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Richard Sinkler


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Post  Posted 9 Sep 2014 11:44 am    
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I'm not really sure what you are asking. If you are talking about the holes in the E9 changer lining up with the holes in a C6 changer, they don't. Look at these pics.

Showing level difference between necks. Second pic has the end of a file under the level to get the bubble in the right spot.




This pic shows the holes in the fingers not "lining up" because of the step up from the C to the E neck.


In your pic, the holes from one neck to the other do not in fact line up. In the C6 neck, the cutout goes closer to the edge of the end plate. Therefore, the finger holes should be offset by the distance between the bottom of the cutout on C6 to the cutout on E9. If your guitar is like mine, and the one other Carter I have worked on, You'll also notice the springs on the E9 neck actually angle down a little (because of the offset distance), whereas the C6 springs are level.

If you are talking about what looks to be the raise fingers being pulled in a little, that will be corrected as Lane said, "you will notice the difference better if you put some strings on". That should pull the fingers into the position they should be in.

Other than these points, I don't know what else you could be asking.
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Jack Goodson

 

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new brockton,alabama (deceased)
Post  Posted 9 Sep 2014 12:11 pm     changer
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richard: look at the first photo that i posted (looking at one changer, e9th or c6th it doe'snt matter.) the lower fingers are closer to the endplate than the raise fingers. then look at the last photo that you posted, they are the same distance from the endplate. lane if you will look at the 3rd string raise from the underside view of the guitar it has a string attached and tuned to g sharp....thanks jack
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Bill Moore


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Post  Posted 9 Sep 2014 2:43 pm    
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Jack here is the solution; Each changer finger has 2 parts, the raise arm and the lowering arm. When they are in the correct position, the top end of the raise arm should be behind the cam which the string attaches to. If the raise arm is in front of the cam, it looks like the ones on your guitar. To fix it, loosen up the tuning nuts, remove the spring, move the both arms forward until you feel the raise arm go behind the top cam. Put the spring back on. This can happen if you remove the string and then turn the guitar up side down. It's a good idea not to flip the guitar over with the strings removed.
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Richard Sinkler


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Post  Posted 9 Sep 2014 3:06 pm    
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At this point, he has no strings or rods installed. The first thing he needs to do is put some strings on. That will probably fix what he percieves as being a problem. There is no real reason to try to troubleshoot it until the strings are put on. If this situation still exists after he puts strings on, then there is a problem somewhere.
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Richard Sinkler


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Post  Posted 9 Sep 2014 3:11 pm    
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Also, your comment to Lane about the third string being on the guitar. I look at the picture, and it looks normal to me. Try putting all the strings on, then take a picture so we can see if it cured the problem.
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Jack Goodson

 

From:
new brockton,alabama (deceased)
Post  Posted 9 Sep 2014 4:02 pm     strings
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richard: i have to purchase some new fretboards before i put on new strings, i am beginning to think it is as it should be. as i said before just want to be sure....thanks jack....(if anyone has any suggestions as what fretboards to purchase please let me know ) i just really don't like the carter fretboards, i would like to have fretboards that have a red background to match the body of the guitar.
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Bill Moore


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Manchester, Michigan
Post  Posted 9 Sep 2014 5:02 pm    
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Jack, if you can push the raise arms all the way back with your finger, with the strings off, it's OK. If it won't go back, the arms are out of position.
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Richard Sinkler


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Post  Posted 9 Sep 2014 6:05 pm    
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What Bill said. I don't believe that's the way the fingers should be. The finger with the string on it looks like the raise part is even with the lower portion. That's how they should be.

Good luck on the red fretboards. That would probably look pretty cool though.
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