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Topic: Clear Tune - standard temperament presets? |
Eric Henry
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Corvallis, OR
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Posted 14 Aug 2014 3:13 pm |
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I've been using the Clear Tune app on my iPhone and think it's great. I entered Jeff Newman's tuning values and have been happy with how it works for me.
But, as a few others have noted, the Android version of Clear Tune does not offer the option of setting your own custom temperaments. The Clear Tune folks say this is because Google's changes to the hardware buttons in Android. Clear Tune may do a workaround in the future but they don't know if/when. For now, if you're using Clear Tune in the latest version of Android you're limited to the temperament presets in the app.
I emailed the folks at Clear Tune and asked if they'd be willing to add an E9 temperament and also a C6 temperament preset to their current list of presets in the app. They thought that sounded doable. I forwarded them this link as an example: http://www.jeffran.com/tuning.php
But I also said I'd bounce the topic off the forum.
Listen, I'm no music theory expert - I'm just a guy who wants Clear Tune to work on his Nexus 7 the way it does with his iPhone.
So -- without this devolving into some loopy music/math wizard fight -- is that Jeff Newman temperament pretty much the standard?
If so, anyone care to summarize it for me in +/- cents for each note affected? I'll pass it along to Clear Tune if so. |
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Niels Andrews
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Salinas, California, USA
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Posted 15 Aug 2014 9:10 am
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Really Eric there is no such thing as "normal" or "standard" when it comes to steel guitars and the folks who play them!  
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Jack Stoner
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Kansas City, MO
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Posted 15 Aug 2014 11:38 am
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| The Newman settings are what is pre-programmed into the Peterson tuners and the Sonic Research ST122 and 122a. They are not perfect for everyone, but the most common. |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 15 Aug 2014 12:48 pm
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Eric, see the other thread for some numbers similar to the Newman. All the different systems of offsets are fairly close to each other.
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Chris Gabriel
From:
Oregon, USA
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Posted 15 Aug 2014 8:37 pm On the same wavelength.
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Dude I did the exact same thing as you, and think it would be cool if clear tune accommodated steel guitar players. That would just be neat. Thanks for taking initiative!
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Jack Stoner
From:
Kansas City, MO
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Posted 16 Aug 2014 2:35 am
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| I have the Newman temperments programmed into Cleartune on my iPad. |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 16 Aug 2014 2:45 am
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Jack, some android devices have something in their OS that breaks the support for custom tunings. It's an Android thing.
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Jack Stoner
From:
Kansas City, MO
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Posted 16 Aug 2014 4:30 am
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You mean Apple wins out over Android on something?  |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 16 Aug 2014 5:11 am
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If only one of the phone makers would give owners administrative access. App developers have more of a say in permissions and what runs in the background. That's annoying. Shovelware and bloatware accounts for 78% of memory and processor time before I launch an app.
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Dale Rottacker
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Walla Walla Washington, USA
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 16 Aug 2014 7:34 am
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Dale, on many, but not all, androids (3 out of 4 at our house), you go to the "options" button, hit "settings", choose "temperaments", and hit the "options/tools/whatever you call it" button, and it gives you an "add" button.
However, some (and apparently it's a growing number) builds of Android don't work like that.
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Dale Rottacker
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Walla Walla Washington, USA
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Posted 16 Aug 2014 4:26 pm
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| Lane Gray wrote: |
Dale, on many, but not all, androids (3 out of 4 at our house), you go to the "options" button, hit "settings", choose "temperaments", and hit the "options/tools/whatever you call it" button, and it gives you an "add" button.
However, some (and apparently it's a growing number) builds of Android don't work like that. |
Think I got it Lane, Thanks...The problem I see is this...and maybe you have a way around it...I use the Emmons Tempered Chart, and on it the 1st string F# is tuned +4, the F# with the C pedal is tuned +22, while the Open F# 7th string is tuned -15...what I can't figure out is where I can add extra F#'s for instance to accommodate all 3 settings...there's a couple more, but I think you can see what I'm talking about.
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 16 Aug 2014 4:45 pm
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I disagree with different values for the same F#: there's some handy unison licks.
If you want differing values for the same note, I recommend leaving the preset at 0, and using your brain to remember which one gets which.
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Jack Stoner
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Posted 17 Aug 2014 6:45 am
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The Newman tuning has different F# numbers too.
The 1st string and 7th string are tuned the same, but the 4th string raise to F# is tuned differently.
That's the beauty of the new Peterson StrobeOPlus HD and the Sonic Research ST122 and 122a. You can have different settings for the same note, depending on its frequency. e.g. F1 can be one setting, F2 can be a different setting, F3, different, etc. |
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Chris Gabriel
From:
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Posted 17 Aug 2014 8:47 pm just create a separate setting
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I just made a separate setting and called it pedal C. Problem solved.
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 18 Aug 2014 3:41 am
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| Jack Stoner wrote: |
The Newman tuning has different F# numbers too.
The 1st string and 7th string are tuned the same... |
I wonder WHY. I use the 1st string more as V to the B string (probably slightly sharped for most people) and the 7th as VI to the A/III to the D (somewhat flatted).
Tuning to the same for different uses seems somewhat odd to me, but many call ME somewhat odd.
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Jack Stoner
From:
Kansas City, MO
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Posted 18 Aug 2014 4:02 am
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From the Peterson steel tuning lists.
Newman (with E's reference to "0")
F# String 1 and 7: -3.9 cents
F# String 4 Raise: -15.9 cents
Emmons (with E's referenced to "0")
F# String 1: +4
F# String 7: -15
F# String 4 Raise: -22 |
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Dale Rottacker
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Walla Walla Washington, USA
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 18 Aug 2014 8:25 am
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Agreed, Dale. The Emmons sharped 1st string is to be a good 5th to the B string. The 22 cents flat is to be a minor third to the B pedal. The 15 cents flat is to be a major third to the D string.
It is EXACTLY the F# issue (and my fondness for the Barry Sless bluesy C pedal unison to the first string) that led me to my "modified ET."
I tune everything EXCEPT G#, A#, C# and E# to 0, and those notes to -4. The thirds are barely sweetened and everything else pretty much works.
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