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Topic: A 31-tone Scale |
b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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b0b
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 4 Jul 2014 5:39 am |
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Makes my skin crawl! 
I think the working definition of microtonal music should be..."something like a non-musician playing chords on a violin".  |
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Ken Campbell
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Ferndale, Montana
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Posted 4 Jul 2014 5:54 am
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| Donny Hinson wrote: |
Makes my skin crawl!
I think the working definition of microtonal music should be..."something like a non-musician playing chords on a violin". |
Guffaw! |
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Earnest Bovine
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Posted 4 Jul 2014 8:05 am
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These are wonderful! Thanks b0b!
This example has more chords:
http://www.mtosmt.org/issues/mto.14.20.2/wild_examples.php?id=17
In a way this reminds me of what country steel guitar players try to do. Every chord is tuned much purer than the ET that we hear every day. Like country music, the chord progressions are very simple (just triads, major or minor, without a seventh or for that matter any chord with more than 3 notes plus octave doublings.) Unlike country however there are more than 3 chords per piece; it's much more chromatic.
I wonder how music would sound today if this tuning system had caught on 450 years ago, and if we had had 450 years of developing more interesting chords than just these triads. |
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Bob Hoffnar
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Posted 4 Jul 2014 8:33 am
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Absolutely beautiful ! I will be tracking down this stuff for listening and personal study. The pitch perception of the musicians is astonishing. My wife overheard the music just now and loved it also. Thanks for the heads up !
I find it odd that the music can be perceived as out of tune. It sounds way more in tune than most music I hear these days. Clear , simple and precise.
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chris ivey
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Posted 4 Jul 2014 10:09 am
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by just watching the video bob posted, i don't hear anything outside of a 12 note scale aside from maybe some slight fudging. that's what we use.
so where's the 31? |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 4 Jul 2014 11:04 am
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If you didn't follow the original links, the live YouTube concert won't make much sense. Remember that this was written nearly 500 years ago, when music theory itself was relatively young and equal temperament was a radical idea.
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Bill L. Wilson
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Oklahoma, USA
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Posted 4 Jul 2014 11:28 am Man!!!!!
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| That stuff would drive a Wooden Indian Crazy. It's all over the place, with no form, or any way to hear a verse, a chorus, an intro, a turnaround, a tag, nothin'. And some of it is out of tune, which leads me to believe, that we really need to keep the notes in our scale as they are. Sour notes do not make great songs, cause I've hit enough of'em, and never received a single good comment, on any of'em. No Playin' in the Cracks!!!! |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 4 Jul 2014 12:40 pm
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Understand that only the first piece in the You Tube video is relevant to this topic. The rest of it is all over the map - it was a microtonal event that was open to every wacky tuning imaginable.
It always bugs me that every system other than 12-tone ET gets lumped together in the microtonal category. Most of them are dissonant noise, but a few (like this one) have exceptional harmonic beauty.
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chris ivey
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california (deceased)
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Posted 4 Jul 2014 1:03 pm
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the guy singing the modes likes to sing about himself i guess.
he uses 'me' alot. |
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Ulrich Sinn
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California, USA
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Posted 5 Jul 2014 12:18 pm
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| I wonder how music would sound today if this tuning system had caught on 450 years ago, and if we had had 450 years of developing more interesting chords than just these triads. |
On the other hand it's hard to imagine how radical the invention of the orchestra as we know it was, and what a spectacle this might have been.
Out with the old, in with the new (considering that the music above happened on the tail end of 250 years of continuity).
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John Alexander
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Posted 6 Jul 2014 12:23 am
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| Gorgeous! |
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rodger_mcbride
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Minnesota
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Posted 6 Jul 2014 4:41 pm
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| Reminds me of the Tuvan throat singing of David Hykes and the harmonic choir. |
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Ulrich Sinn
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Posted 6 Jul 2014 10:23 pm
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| Reminds me of the Tuvan throat singing of David Hykes and the harmonic choir. |
Ouch. 
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chas smith R.I.P.
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Encino, CA, USA
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Posted 7 Jul 2014 12:24 pm
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| Wonderful stuff! Once you get beyond the 12-tone scale and 8-tone harmonies, things really open up. Even the "traditional" Just scale has two major 2nds. One is in tune with the major 6 and one is in tune with the p5. |
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Alan Brookes
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Brummy living in Southern California
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Posted 8 Jul 2014 10:31 am
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| ...Remember that this was written nearly 500 years ago, when music theory itself was relatively young and equal temperament was a radical idea. |
Yes, it reminds me a lot of the Early Music which I listen to. I have the largest collection of Early Music LPs of anyone I know, amounting to many hundreds, mainly from the Middle Ages through Baroque, before such a thing as equal temperament was thought of, at a time when people still thought in terms of the ancient Greek modes rather than minor and major keys. |
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