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Topic: Who uses a Talk Box? |
Nate Hofer
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Overland Park, Kansas
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Posted 11 Jun 2014 8:40 am |
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| Who uses a talk box today with pedal steel? A good idea? I'm thinking of getting one for the outlaw country band I'm in and freaking people out. |
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Bill Sinclair
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Waynesboro, PA, USA
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Posted 11 Jun 2014 10:10 am
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| You mean one of those Peter Frampton things? I've listen to some of your band's recordings (pretty cool, by the way) and I can see why your bandmates are freaking out. I think it's kind of a goofy novelty that has had its day. If you just want a different sound on a couple of tunes maybe a wah pedal or envelope filter? Or an old string-through pickup lap steel that will overdrive your amp for a different sound, plus you'll have another steel! |
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Jerome Hawkes
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Fayetteville, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 11 Jun 2014 11:18 am
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man, steel players are freaky enough already....have you seen the pics of Pete Drake playing that contraption...it looks like some home made iron lung / life support device made from surplus hospital equipment
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 11 Jun 2014 1:40 pm
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Today? I don't know of anybody.
Yesteryear? Here's Pete: http://youtu.be/Cm77Xck34GE
And Pete with Jim Reeves when Jim still did country (before he turned into Perry Como in cowboy boots) http://youtu.be/k-a5vxj1Oww
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Craig Baker
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Eatonton, Georgia, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 11 Jun 2014 3:40 pm Buddy Charleton with Talk Box
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Buddy Charleton did an excellent job with "Going Once, Going Twice, Going Gone"
It's featured on the intro and ending of Leon Rhodes' 1965 vocal, "What Am I Bid"
Here's a link:
http://picosong.com/PYtx
Best regards,
Craig Baker 706-485-8792
cmbakerelectronics@gmail.com
C.M. Baker Electronics
P.O. Box 3965
Eatonton, GA 31024
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Jeffrey Moore
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Georgia, USA
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Eddie Cunningham
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Massachusetts, USA
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Posted 11 Jun 2014 5:00 pm Talk Box history
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| Alvino Rey invented the "talk box" back in the 30s !! Pete Drake brought it back in the 60s? Then a lot of players started using it !! I guess it's kinda gone by now ?? But it was a fun gadget !! olde geeze - AKA Eddie "C" |
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Sandy Inglis
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Christchurch New Zealand
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Posted 11 Jun 2014 10:42 pm
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I used one on guitar in my early 'Rock' days. It was home-made and after a while the energy coming out of the tube started to hurt my throat. It sounded good though. I just might resurrect it one day for a laugh!!!
Sandy
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Leo Melanson
From:
Massachusetts, USA
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Posted 12 Jun 2014 5:58 am Fun idea but hard to implement
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Our guitar player experimented with one this year and found it difficult to work with. It takes a few minutes to setup and you have to switch out of your amplified sound to the tube only. With that .. you also need a good sound man to raise your mic to pick up your voice box. Not easy .. and he gave up on it after a few gigs.
We tried to list out all the famous songs (mostly rock) with VB:
There really aren't that many ...
Rocky Mountain Way
Show me the Way
Do you Feel Like we Do
Tell Me Something Good
Sweet Emotion
Livin on a Prayer
Walk this Way
Me and my Gang - Rascal Flatts
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Joe Snow
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Argyle,Texas, USA
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Posted 12 Jun 2014 6:55 am
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| there was Alvino Rey and stringy, the talking steel. |
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Earnest Bovine
From:
Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 12 Jun 2014 8:18 am
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| Joe Snow wrote: |
| there was Alvino Rey and stringy, the talking steel. |
I call him Creepy. |
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Nate Hofer
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Overland Park, Kansas
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Posted 18 Jul 2014 12:04 pm
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Great info. And sorta what I expected.
I may get one. |
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Nate Hofer
From:
Overland Park, Kansas
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Posted 18 Jul 2014 12:15 pm Re: Fun idea but hard to implement
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[quote=
Rocky Mountain Way
Show me the Way
Do you Feel Like we Do
Tell Me Something Good
Sweet Emotion
Livin on a Prayer
Walk this Way
Me and my Gang - Rascal Flatts[/quote]
Awesome! |
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Edward Rhea
From:
Medford Oklahoma, USA
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Posted 18 Jul 2014 5:03 pm
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Leo! You forgot -Kickstart My Heart-MotleyCrew 
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Jay Fagerlie
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Lotus, California, USA
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Posted 19 Jul 2014 6:01 am
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Alvino used the Sonovox, a slightly different animal, based on the throat mics of WWII
I'd love to get my hands on one of those.....
...and I totally agree w/Mr. Bovine- that little guy was creepy!
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 19 Jul 2014 8:37 am
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who uses a talk box?
no one! |
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Godfrey Arthur
From:
3rd Rock
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Posted 17 Aug 2014 3:43 am
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Dang Lane, that PD clip was something out of Klaatu barada nikto J-rod stuff. Weird to see that from that old a clip. Sounded like a wah though. The Perry Reeves clip didn't work btw.
Third party problems so it said.
It helps if one knows how to sing to use a talk box. I think with all the busy work a psg guy has, adding that tube is pulling too many hats out of the rabbit.
But experiment away.
Here's a good unit if you can find one;
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Last edited by Godfrey Arthur on 17 Aug 2014 2:56 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 17 Aug 2014 7:23 am
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Here's another video of the same song, but without the goofy graphics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhTSZcA7kG8
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Godfrey Arthur
From:
3rd Rock
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Posted 17 Aug 2014 7:48 am
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And it would have to be that version to hear Pete. Now that I know the title, Jim had another version out, different arrangement. More Mr. C. Thanks.
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Ian Worley
From:
Sacramento, CA
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Posted 17 Aug 2014 12:26 pm Re: Fun idea but hard to implement
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| Leo Melanson wrote: |
We tried to list out all the famous songs (mostly rock) with VB:
There really aren't that many ...
Rocky Mountain Way
Show me the Way
Do you Feel Like we Do
Tell Me Something Good
Sweet Emotion
Livin on a Prayer
Walk this Way
Me and my Gang - Rascal Flatts |
Don't forget Steely Dan, Haitian Divorce
I played with a guitar player MANY years ago who made his own. There's not much to them, it was just small speaker from a car stereo, 4" or so, mounted inside a little enclosed wooden box. He drilled a hole for a little brass fitting opposite the speaker, shoved a rubber hose on it and plugged it into the back of his amp when he wanted to use it. It was... interesting...
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who uses a talk box?
no one! |
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Godfrey Arthur
From:
3rd Rock
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Posted 17 Aug 2014 2:23 pm
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Actually, a horn driver is used to get the SPL's to drive enough air into the mouth cavity for the sound to be shaped by said cavity. This then makes the device a little dangerous if you close your mouth over it like blowing your ears clear if you misjudge the volume from your amp.
Finding a sturdy enough horn driver proves to be expensive for the DIY guys finding one small enough so the box retains a small footprint.
A 50 watt 16 ohm driver, in the case of the vintage Maxon, MD-TM101 is the what is used.
A wild guess would be the Atlas PD60-A, a 60 watt 16 ohm driver used as driver replacement in Leslie speakers. That's a $200 driver. And it is a chunky one.
Like everything, there are preferences in tone over other drivers for this app as talkbox.
Maybe the Atlas PD-5VH with 40 watts will work as well. Smaller driver, a little less in the Fed Res printouts dept.
Getting a good no-leak seal from the driver to the tube is not unlike plumbing work. And a speaker switching circuit with the right type of switch is needed as this device connects to the speaker out of your amp to turn the device on/off.
Atlas PD60-A
Atlas PD-5VH
That said there are "effects" pedal types that will simulate the original talkbox head grenade. Not sure how effective they are.
Danelectro DTB-1
This u2b clip gets closer to camel-ville for the Dano box;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRkEXfbAfxA
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Mark Fowler
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Minnesota, USA
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Godfrey Arthur
From:
3rd Rock
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Posted 21 Aug 2014 2:56 pm
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May as well give the guy responsible for the most prolific use in recent memory a represent for his product since his songs were mentioned.
I read about the box Frampton devised a while back, don't know much but here it is. I hear Keeley makes/made an electronic version now. Not sure of the status or models.
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Godfrey Arthur
From:
3rd Rock
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Posted 21 Aug 2014 4:21 pm
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MXR has an entry. This one has its own amp as seems to be the trend these days for these.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWpu9jsyhrM#t=21
I had a home made box back in the day someone sold me.
Looks like the idea has some staying power.
I have a Maxon now, but this new MXR looks attractive.
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Nate Hofer
From:
Overland Park, Kansas
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Posted 25 Jan 2015 6:27 pm
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Thanks for the help guys. I wanted to circle back.
I did get a talk box (Rocktron's Banshee) and started to integrate it into band practice and now we have a country record coming out in April with talk box pedal steel on a few songs.
Success! |
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