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Topic: Raise Affecting the Lower |
John Houstoulakis
From:
Greece
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Posted 5 Jun 2014 10:44 am |
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Hello everybody!
I have a problem with my PSG,any info will be appreciated,lots of frustration here...
It seems that the Raise on my 6thstring(G# on E9)is affecting the Lower.
I tune the G#-F# Lower,and then,when I try to tune my B pedal,the Lower(G#-F#) gets detuned and when the B pedal is properly tuned the G#-F# reaches,only up to G.
Any ideas,how to fix this thing?
All day,I m trying to find the solution...No luck yet!
Anyone had this issue before?
My pedal steel is a Williams 600 8x5. |
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Ian Worley
From:
Sacramento, CA
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Posted 5 Jun 2014 11:12 am
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| Sounds like the raise is "overtuned" so it is still partially engaged in the no pedals position. Make sure the changer finger is returning all the way to neutral in the no pedals/levers position. If not, you will need to back the nylon tuners off enough to allow the finger to return all the way to neutral, re-tune the open string, then reset the pedal/lever stop(s) to allow just a little slack in the pull rod(s). Not sure how to adjust stops on a Williams, but I know they are highly adjustable. From there, re-tune the pedal & lever and re-adjust stops as necessary. |
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John Houstoulakis
From:
Greece
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Posted 5 Jun 2014 12:00 pm
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| Thank you so much!I will do that,and respond! |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 5 Jun 2014 3:00 pm
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If Williams has the "split tuning" screws (a row of screws above the deck, that provide a hard stop), try making sure it's not stopping your F#..
I mainly suspect overtuning.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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John Houstoulakis
From:
Greece
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Posted 5 Jun 2014 5:21 pm
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Thanks for the replys,guys.
I contacted Bill at Williams Company.
He told me,never to use a wound string on this change.
I looked carefylly at the SIT strings that I recently put on,and the .022 was roundwound.
I'll replace it tommorow,with a plain one and see if this does the trick! |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 5 Jun 2014 5:27 pm
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Yep. Changing to a wound string will do that. Change to a plain before you do any adjusting.
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Marco Schouten
From:
Amsterdam, The Netherlands
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Posted 6 Jun 2014 3:33 am
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Why doesn't that change work with a wound string? Won't it work an any guitar or only certain brands?
I was just thinking of trying to go to a wound string on my JCH.
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John Houstoulakis
From:
Greece
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Posted 6 Jun 2014 5:04 am
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The shop was closed when I got there,so I didn't change the string,to see if the problem is gone.
It appears that,this was an issue for many people so probably changing the string will solve the issue eventually!
It is very strange,the impact that a roundwound vs plain strings,have on the pedal steel mechanism.
If someone can explain,
why there is so much difference in a plain and a roundwound string of the same diameter? |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 6 Jun 2014 9:17 am
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| wound string has more junk to stretch. different elasticity. |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 6 Jun 2014 7:34 pm
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To elaborate on Chris's answer, the thinner the wire under tension, the more finger travel required.
For wound strings, that means only the core. A .022W has a core of either .008 or .006, so will need a LOT of travel.
Since a JCH is pretty close to a Zum, it should be able to take it.
I went to a wound on my Zum, and had to rerod my RKL.
It ended up needing the the farthest out slot on the bellcrank, the highest hole on the finger, AND adding travel to the knee lever. But the changer can do it without picking up the raise finger..
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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John Houstoulakis
From:
Greece
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Posted 7 Jun 2014 8:10 am
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Changing the string to a plain one,solved the issue for my Williams 600 and everything works great!
While trying to figure out where the problem was,and give the mechanism some stress-relief,I took off the the Eb-E(2nd string on E9) bell crank,and hooked it,to my C6th neck.
I moved the A-Bb bellcrank and moved it to raise my E(6th string),and the other,to lower my 2nd string to Eb,and create a reverse P6.
To what cents do you personally,tune this change? |
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