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Topic: E and F lever tuning |
Thomas Heath
From:
Saint Louis, Missouri
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Posted 27 May 2014 3:46 pm |
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| Hey all. I tune string 8 to pitch. After I lower the "E's" a couple times, string 8 goes flat when playing open. If I engage the "F" lever after string 8 has gone a bit flat, string 8 comes back to normal pitch. What gives? |
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Michael Hummel
From:
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 27 May 2014 4:17 pm
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What guitar?
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Scott Duckworth
From:
Etowah, TN Western Foothills of the Smokies
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Posted 27 May 2014 4:54 pm
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I have the same problem on a GFI SM-10, but string 4 (8 is probably doing it too).
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Thomas Heath
From:
Saint Louis, Missouri
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Posted 27 May 2014 5:16 pm
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| Legrand |
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Les Cargill
From:
Oklahoma City, Ok, USA
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Posted 27 May 2014 5:20 pm
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| Legrande's are all-pull, so my money's on inadequate pull rod slack. |
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 28 May 2014 7:19 am
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| You need the slack on a push/pull, not on an all pull. |
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Brian Brgant
From:
Vermont, USA
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Posted 28 May 2014 7:55 am
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| Check The return spring tension. If the raise to F brings it back to E, the return spring for the D# lower may be a little light. Or it may be getting hung up somewhere. I would start with a couple of turns on the return spring..(which pulls the string back to the stop for E from the lower D#.................. As always ......... I could be wrong ! |
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Scott Duckworth
From:
Etowah, TN Western Foothills of the Smokies
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Posted 28 May 2014 9:54 am
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The GFI SM-10 is a pull release. Any ideas?
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Olli Haavisto
From:
Jarvenpaa,Finland
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Bob Hickish
From:
Port Ludlow, Washington, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 29 May 2014 7:56 am
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| Scott Duckworth wrote: |
| The GFI SM-10 is a pull release. Any ideas? |
Duck
On most pull/release setups -- try tuning the lower note against its stops -- then bring the note up to open tuning with the nylon tuning nut -- be sure to have enough slack in the in the pull so as not to interfere with the lower note tuning .
I think i said that in a way it will make sense  |
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Scott Duckworth
From:
Etowah, TN Western Foothills of the Smokies
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Posted 29 May 2014 8:19 am
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Thanks, Bob. That sound reasonable.
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Brint Hannay
From:
Maryland, USA
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Posted 29 May 2014 9:17 am
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The "hysteresis" phenomenon involves lowers returning sharp. The OP's problem is lowers returning flat. |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 29 May 2014 2:14 pm
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| Erv Niehaus wrote: |
| You need the slack on a push/pull, not on an all pull. |
You also need a little slack on an all-pull guitar! If you don't have it, then any time you tighten the nylon tuners, it will change the open tuning. That problem is called "over tuning", and it's easily the most common cause of tuning issues.  |
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Olli Haavisto
From:
Jarvenpaa,Finland
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Posted 29 May 2014 3:09 pm
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Brint, my bad. I know that but read the op carelessly....
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Les Cargill
From:
Oklahoma City, Ok, USA
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Posted 29 May 2014 5:03 pm
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| Donny Hinson wrote: |
| Erv Niehaus wrote: |
| You need the slack on a push/pull, not on an all pull. |
You also need a little slack on an all-pull guitar! If you don't have it, then any time you tighten the nylon tuners, it will change the open tuning. That problem is called "over tuning", and it's easily the most common cause of tuning issues. |
All I will say is that my mileage has varied on this subject.  |
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Fred Glave
From:
McHenry, Illinois, USA
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Posted 3 Jun 2014 10:23 am
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Yes I got in to trouble on my all pull when I tried to adjust my split tuning. I had taken out too much slack and caused a similar problem.
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