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Topic: Split "E" Changes Or Not? |
Bob Snelgrove
From:
san jose, ca
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Posted 23 Sep 2002 5:06 pm |
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What's the pros and cons of splitting the E change on 4 and 8? (Different leg for each change)
I've had the lower on my rkl and the raise on my lkr 'cuz Crawford recommended it.
My thoughts:
1) Good to have the lower away from pedals
A/B. (knee doesn't fight foot 
2) Bad 'cuz it wastes a lever( you would never raise and lower the E's at the same time.
thx
bob |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 24 Sep 2002 12:48 am
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For the past year I had the E's split, now they are both back on the left knee. It seems to me that , although I did like the E lower on the RKL, future opportunities were being eliminated. I think it was Buddy who stated in a earlier post on this same topic that when the E's are split, it now takes two knee's to do the job of one. I recently acquired another guitar which has the E's on the left knee and I decided to leave them there as I have been fooling with some additional RKL changes which work nicely with both the E levers on the left knee. The unison pulls that are on the RKL are a nice addition to this guitar, a change that I can grow into.
tp
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Wayne Cox
From:
Chatham, Louisiana, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 24 Sep 2002 5:52 am
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| Re: Bob, (2)Bad cause.../...Bob,maybe raising both E's with RKL works well for me because I use three finger picks,but it sure is nice having those extra Maj chords,Dim chords,& 7th's,via RKL. Remember, that is Lloyd Green's main lever. Just food for thought:Jimmy Day used the split E's,and apparently,so does Jimmy Crawford;therefore find which combination is the most useful to YOU! After you have bounced back and forth for a while and thoroughly tried them both ways,make an agonizing decision and stick by it! Only one alternative:Buy two steels;one with the split,the other without. Steel confused....W.C. |
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 24 Sep 2002 11:48 am
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| 2) Bad 'cuz it wastes a lever( you would never raise and lower the E's at the same time. |
Perhaps, but IMHO, just put them both on the right knee, and be done with it! From my point of view, and because these are (usually) the two most-used levers, it makes sense to get them both away from the left knee...kinda "divides the work more evenly" among both legs on the E9th.
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Gil Berry
From:
Westminster, CA, USA
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Posted 24 Sep 2002 4:49 pm
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| Of course, the ADVANTAGE of splitting is that you can make the two-note swing (E flat to F or vice-versa) without a pause in the middle. This is a nice change sometimes.... |
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Larry Bell
From:
Englewood, Florida
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Posted 24 Sep 2002 4:59 pm
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On a push-pull, you can REALLY get it smooth -- you don't even have to let off the Eb lever since raises predominate. In the A+F position, you can get the same whole tone movement (3rd to 2nd scale tone) you get pedals down by releasing the A pedal or in the open/no pedals position by lowering the 6th string G# to F#.
I don't use it often because there are other ways to do the same thing, but it's one advantage of having the E raises and lowers on different knees. My personal feeling is that you will probably play what you started with, but, for a U-12 setup, I think there are some serious advantages. I know there are uni players who lower E's on LKR, but I always try to convince new universal players to lower E's on their right knee (RKL or RKR both work fine).
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Gary Walker
From:
Morro Bay, CA
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Posted 24 Sep 2002 7:19 pm
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| Curly Chalker didn't lower his fourth string with eighth, in fact, he didn't lower it at all. When the eighth was lowered, the fourth was raised to F# and Lloyd doesn't lower his fourth either at all. It could be a throwback from the old permanent tuners that moved up or down, not both. |
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Bengt Erlandsen
From:
Brekstad, NORWAY
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Posted 25 Sep 2002 12:19 am
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If you split the E's it might be a good idea to raise 9th string D-Eb together with 4th string E-Eb (compare w/P6 C6)
Along with the 8th string E-Eb you might have Eb-C# on 2nd string if that is not on another knee-lever.
Just my thoghts
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 25 Sep 2002 2:12 am
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Donny, just curious, Do you have both E's on the right knee ? Do you have the second string 1/2 step and full step lowers on your Steel and where are they so that you can use them with A or B pedal ?
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Bobby Lee
From:
Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 26 Sep 2002 6:08 pm
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By putting them on separate knees, you gain a full-tone change in the AF position. I use that all the time. It's very fast, like a pedal. You release one while you engage the other.
I lost one useful position for an augmented chord when I switched. I haven't noticed any other combination that I lost. The gain of that full-step change outweighed the rarely used augmented, so I kept it.
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Sierra Session 12 (E9), Williams 400X (Emaj9, D6), Sierra Olympic 12 (F Diatonic)
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