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Topic: David Keli, Benny Rogers and Jules Ah See music |
Jean-Sebastien Gauthier
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Quebec, Canada
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Posted 27 Mar 2014 12:06 pm |
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| Im looking to David Keli, Benny Rogers and Jules Ah See music. I really love swing side of their Hawaiian playing. Any tips on where to find digital, CD or LP would be appreciated. |
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Jerome Hawkes
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Posted 27 Mar 2014 12:33 pm
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well, be warned ....if you get hold of the "Tapa Room Tapes" file floating around, its likely you will never listen to western swing again. Jules Ah See flat smokes it. I have just now, some 2 years after i heard it, am begining to wade back a little into western swing - it was that powerful. i would put it right up there with the famous live Jimmy Rivers / Vance Terry recordings as some of the hardest swinging steel of all time.
listening to those guys, along with Andy Iona & Dick McIntire will suck you in to another dimension thats hard to break away from. you just dont listen to "steel players" the same ever again.
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Jean-Sebastien Gauthier
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Quebec, Canada
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Posted 27 Mar 2014 1:10 pm
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| Jerome Hawkes wrote: |
| well, be warned ....if you get hold of the "Tapa Room Tapes" file floating around, its likely you will never listen to western swing again. |
Great Jerome! I'm ready to switch from western swing to Hawaiian!!! It will be like when I switch from blues to swing, I don't really switch at 100% but I see like a kind of evolution. |
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Jean-Sebastien Gauthier
From:
Quebec, Canada
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Posted 27 Mar 2014 1:11 pm
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| Any link to these Tapes? |
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Andy Volk
From:
Boston, MA
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Posted 27 Mar 2014 1:35 pm
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You might try a PM to forumite Basil Henriques.
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Ron Whitfield
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Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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Posted 27 Mar 2014 1:35 pm
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| Jean-Sebastien Gauthier wrote: |
| Any link to these Tapes? |
This www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOoGEk3dT4A is a portion available.
For Kelii, the transcriptions are some of my faves, then the early live Hawaii Calls shows are essential. Outside of the Cumquat stuff it'll be hard to find any huge amount without taping the collectors, but to me it's well worth it.
Same with any Rogers family stuff outside of the already commercially available for Benny on the 49th State records, there's rare yet revealing material out there, and George Rogers is good too. |
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Jean-Sebastien Gauthier
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Quebec, Canada
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Posted 27 Mar 2014 1:53 pm
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| Wow!!! Thanks Ron, that's amazing! Jules Ah See is amazing in this tape. |
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Tom Snook
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Ft. Lauderdale, Florida, USA
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Posted 27 Mar 2014 2:02 pm
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ITunes has got quite a bit of Benny Rogers stuff,search for Benjamin Rogers.
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Jean-Sebastien Gauthier
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Quebec, Canada
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Posted 27 Mar 2014 2:07 pm
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| Tom Snook wrote: |
| ITunes has got quite a bit of Benny Rogers stuff,search for Benjamin Rogers. |
Yes but its more slow Hawaiian music with vibraphone, its great but Im looking more into up tempo swing style. |
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Ron Whitfield
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Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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Posted 27 Mar 2014 2:11 pm
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| Jean-Sebastien Gauthier wrote: |
| Im looking more into up tempo swing style. |
That'll greatly lessen the pool search, the Tapa tapes are the gold mine for Hawaiian swing. Such a sorely ignored genre, I'm glad you're into it, JS. |
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Jerome Hawkes
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Fayetteville, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 27 Mar 2014 2:52 pm
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i've got an interesting file i may post after i edit it and clean it up some -
my good buddy is from So. Cal and over the holidays his 78 year old Uncle Dick came to visit and is a huge music fan (doesn't play anything). being that he grew up in Compton, not a block from the Town Hall Party site he got to go to many of those shows in the 50's, but more interesting was one of the few people that had a reel to reel recorder and he would tape things off the radio and tv (he figured out how to hotwire the sound direct from tv to reel). anyway, he sent me a thumb drive with just a few of his recordings and there is a lot of Hawaii Calls recordings off the tv - these are probably from 60's i would guess, but don't know for sure. he has all the reels still so who knows what is in there.
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Jean-Sebastien Gauthier
From:
Quebec, Canada
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Posted 28 Mar 2014 7:00 am
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| Thanks to Basil Henriques Im listening to the Tapa Room Tapes right now and yes it will take a long time before I listen to western swing again!!! |
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Jean-Sebastien Gauthier
From:
Quebec, Canada
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Posted 28 Mar 2014 7:20 am
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| Jerome Hawkes wrote: |
i've got an interesting file i may post after i edit it and clean it up some -
my good buddy is from So. Cal and over the holidays his 78 year old Uncle Dick came to visit and is a huge music fan (doesn't play anything). being that he grew up in Compton, not a block from the Town Hall Party site he got to go to many of those shows in the 50's, but more interesting was one of the few people that had a reel to reel recorder and he would tape things off the radio and tv (he figured out how to hotwire the sound direct from tv to reel). anyway, he sent me a thumb drive with just a few of his recordings and there is a lot of Hawaii Calls recordings off the tv - these are probably from 60's i would guess, but don't know for sure. he has all the reels still so who knows what is in there. |
Please do!!!! |
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Jean-Sebastien Gauthier
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Quebec, Canada
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Paul DiMaggio
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Fort Nelson, British Columbia, Canada
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Posted 28 Mar 2014 10:33 am
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| Yep, Jules takes it to a whole 'nother level, doesn't he? |
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Paul DiMaggio
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Fort Nelson, British Columbia, Canada
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Posted 28 Mar 2014 10:34 am
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| Yep, Jules takes it to a whole 'nother level, doesn't he? |
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Ron Whitfield
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Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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Posted 28 Mar 2014 11:13 am
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| Jerome Hawkes wrote: |
| Uncle Dick grew up in Compton, not a block from the Town Hall Party site he got to go to many of those shows in the 50's and he would tape things off the radio and tv. |
Jerome, beyond the obvious high entertainment and historic value of these recordings, they may actually contain examples of Beryl Harrell's steel work for (pre Marian Hall) THP which has so far eluded documentation and would be incredibly important for her son, Don Triolo's efforts in compiling her life's work and hopes for nomination into the Steel Guitar HoF. Looking forward to all you may contribute. http://www.fretboardjournal.com/blog/female-steel-pioneer-beryl-harrells-music-has-surfaced-youtube |
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James Hartman
From:
Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 29 Mar 2014 10:27 pm
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Wonderful! Thanks so much for sharing. |
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Jean-Sebastien Gauthier
From:
Quebec, Canada
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Posted 30 Mar 2014 2:37 pm
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| Paul DiMaggio wrote: |
| Yep, Jules takes it to a whole 'nother level, doesn't he? |
Yes!! I just cant stop listening to the Tapa Room Tapes, I woke up this morning with my head full of hawaiian melodies and cool swing licks! |
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Tom Snook
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Ft. Lauderdale, Florida, USA
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Posted 31 Mar 2014 7:59 pm
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Boy Howdy,that's Hawaiian music!Now if I can just figure out how to get it to my ITunes I'll be set for life 
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David Matzenik
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Cairns, on the Coral Sea
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Posted 2 Apr 2014 4:33 pm
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The steel guitar of Jules Ah See is very interesting from several points of view. I have been studying his arrangement of the Hula Blues for a couple of months now, taking apart the phrases and seeing how he worked them.
The transcription was pretty straight forward, I am not qualified to fully analyse his choices from a theoretical standpoint, but some things become obvious after careful listening. In his up tempo swingy pieces he uses a lot of repeated notes and double stops usually with partially staccato attack. This has a driving quality and it also gives the player some breathing space, so to speak. On seventh chords he tended to use ninths. His phrases are very clearly defined and therefore they make great lessons in what you can do over the different chords.
Jules seems to use chord substitution, a subject I am just starting on. His overall style is quite different to most Hawaiian guitarist at the time. It is said he was influenced by the playing style of Jake Keli’ikoa, but I don’t know if Jake was recorded. Today, we have come to recognise much of Jules’ musical elements, but it must have sounded quite modern in the 1950s.
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Ron Whitfield
From:
Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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Posted 3 Apr 2014 11:26 am
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I don’t know if Jake was recorded.
Jules must have sounded quite modern in the 1950s. |
His recorded output was meager at best but there are private recordings out there that open up his world more.
For then modern Hawaiian steel he was considered The Man and knew how to expertly emulate all his predecessor's styles. He didn't get the top job with Alfred and the other best (and progressive) guys around for nothing. |
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