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Topic: E9 Temperment Tuning Chart |
Kevin LaFond
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Posted 9 Apr 2014 9:56 am |
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I recently sold my StroboRack tuner because of lack of space in my rack. Before I sold it I wrote down the settings for the E9th temperament so I could use the tuner built into my Avid Eleven Rack.
You can print this out and stick it somewhere easy to view and I also made laminated decals just under an inch in height that I'd sell for a few bucks ( I work at a sign shop). Hope it helps some people out...
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Lane Gray
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Posted 9 Apr 2014 12:23 pm
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If I could make a suggestion (because terms shape thoughts: and I bet Petersen supports sharps), since the key of E already has 4 sharps, all those flats are confusing. Also, your D# 14 cents flat? I would have thought somewhere around -3 would ring more true (disregarding cabinet drop, the fifth from E-B would be 4-5 cents sharp, then the third from B to D# would want to be 8 cents flat of 4-5 cents sharp).
That said, I have ALWAYS believed that each guitar needs its own chart. But some numbers make me scratch my head.
PS: do you tune the Es with A&B engaged? Your flatted Bs are pretty nonstandard (if E=0, an ET B should be sharp
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Ian Rae
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Posted 9 Apr 2014 12:35 pm
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Spelling in music is as important as it is in English, and I get edgy about both. Kevin, be glad that Lane got to you first - he is a master of tact and I'm not.
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 9 Apr 2014 1:27 pm
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john widgren
From:
Wilton CT
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Posted 9 Apr 2014 2:08 pm speylling
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Spelling is important: Have you READ this forum?
HAhahahahahah.
JW
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Ian Rae
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Posted 9 Apr 2014 3:07 pm
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Good point, John - I think I'll just say spelling in music is important and leave it at that 
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Kevin LaFond
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Montana, USA
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Posted 9 Apr 2014 5:20 pm
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I made the chart with flats instead of sharps because that's how the Eleven Rack displays them so it is easier for me to read. Originally I had all sharps.
As far as the rest, I tuned to the the Peterson E9th temperament and then checked it with my other tuner to see how many cents to flatten each string.
I agree each guitar is different but I always felt like this was close for mine.
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Kevin LaFond
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Montana, USA
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Posted 9 Apr 2014 5:24 pm
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Ian I'm not sure what you are trying to say?
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Kevin Hatton
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Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 9 Apr 2014 6:49 pm
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| Number charts will not work on all guitars. It depends on how much cabinet drop you have on the E's when you push A&B. Tuning to ear is as important as numbers. |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 9 Apr 2014 7:17 pm
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Kevin, I still think individual tastes play as much a role as cabinet drop. I don't like the sound of JI thirds as much as halfway between the two. But no matter which reason, every axe will want slightly different numbers.
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Kevin LaFond
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Montana, USA
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Posted 9 Apr 2014 9:55 pm
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I'm curious to know the techniques people use to tune there PSG's. Any tips?
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 9 Apr 2014 10:17 pm
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I would raise everything on that chart by 6 cents so that it will sound in tune with other instruments at the harmonic frets (5, 7, 12, 19).
And then I'd consider dividing all of the numbers by 2, per Lane's method. 
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Jimmy Gibson
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Cornwall, England
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Posted 10 Apr 2014 2:37 am
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I tune the e string with a tuner then the rest by harmonics,that's the way I have always done it.
Jimmy. |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 10 Apr 2014 4:52 am
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By ear? I tune the Es to a tuner. I don't use harmonics as I've learned to listen to the beats of fourths, fifths and thirds. So I tune the Bs to be beatless against the Es. Next, the G#s to make the E chord. Then the first string gets tuned against the B string, the 2nd string and the D# lever get tuned against 1&5. The B pedal gets tuned to be beatless against the Es, then the A pedal gets tuned to make the A chord. The 9th string goes beatless against the B pedal. The 7tfh string gets tuned to the D chord.
I've since abandoned that in favor of what I call "sweetened ET." EVERYTHING except G#, C# E# and A# (notice they're all maj thirds), which go 3-4 cents flat.
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Ken Campbell
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Ferndale, Montana
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Posted 10 Apr 2014 4:57 am
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Kevin,
If you have a Petersen tuner, download one of the presets and give those a whirl. I tried them all and settled on Sid Hudsons for my Sho-Bud. Once you have that you just tune evey string, pull, and drop to the tuner and you are set. Quick and easy and super convenient to touch up between sets.
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Kevin LaFond
From:
Montana, USA
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Posted 10 Apr 2014 7:05 am
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I think it comes down to what Lane said, each guitar is going to be different. I think I'll try using a few of the techniques mentioned and when I get the guitar where I like it, write down the settings.
Hi Ken, I'm in Butte  You must be up around Kalispell area?
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Kevin LaFond
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Montana, USA
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Posted 10 Apr 2014 1:34 pm
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Lane, one more question. Do you flatten your Es when you tune them and if so, how much?
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 10 Apr 2014 3:33 pm
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I currently flatten only the thirds (G#,C#,D# & A#) by 4 cents. Everything else is straight up.
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Ken Campbell
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Ferndale, Montana
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Posted 11 Apr 2014 6:10 am
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| Kevin LaFond wrote: |
I think it comes down to what Lane said, each guitar is going to be different. I think I'll try using a few of the techniques mentioned and when I get the guitar where I like it, write down the settings.
Hi Ken, I'm in Butte You must be up around Kalispell area? |
Yeah Kevin, up in the great Northwest! |
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Steve Lipsey
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Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 11 Apr 2014 8:31 am
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I'm with Lane, and after talking with him, we decided that if you use your A+F chord a lot, the Lane Method (now capitalized, to my mind LM is as important as JI and ET) also says to flatten your F notes (raised Es), and maybe not flat your C# (or as much)
Same idea, flat the thirds, let everything else sound right with the band...and, of course, do it all with the usual pedals pressed to compensate for cabinet drop.
You still have to play A+F a bit above the fret and slant the bar back a bit to get that A+F chord to sound good - but that almost happens naturally, somehow....
Thanks, Lane!
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