Williams U12 - a Few Questions

Bob Kagy · From: Lafayette, CO USA

Looking at the copedant on the Williams website I see a B to Bb lower on the left knee vertical. Here's the question - in the B9th mode I don't see a way to lower the B to Bb while using any of the B6th pedals (4-7) with the left leg; this eliminates the counterpart of the C6th C to B lower on the right knee. In the Newman setup he went with a looong vertical that could be used with all 7 pedals.
Question on the B6th mode lock - where is it, how does it work, is it simple to quickly lock and unlock it on the fly?
Reason for the questions - I'm seriously thinking about ordering one. Thanks for any responses.
bk

Tom Gorr · From: Three Hills, Alberta

Not all guitars have the left and right lever clusters set up with a distance between them as wide as the guitar will allow.

That's something to look into to see if a narrowed width facilitates use of all pedals with the vertical.

I have an msa s12.

Pete Burak · From: Portland, OR USA

I'm guessing you can get an long LKV if you order one. Definitely discuss this concern with Bill before ordering.
The placement of LKR (if you are going to have one) becomes a consideration also.
fwiw, The Zum brand is known for having a very long LKV.
I play S12U and my left leg basically swings like a pendulum over the pedals, so my knee doesn't move very much to the left or right while going from one end to the other on the pedals.
I also have a Lever lock and it is basically a small lever you rotate about 1/4 of a turn, and can be turned on/of like a light switch. I am not sure how the Williams lever works, but I personally suggest getting one if they offer one, because if you have it you can either use it or not use it, if you don't have one then you have to hold the lever over the entire time you are learning the 6th side of the tuning, or I have seen some guys use a bungee cord.

Lee Baucum · From: McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier

Here is what I did to my Mullen U-12 ---> Click Here

b0b · From: Cloverdale, CA, USA

Bill will set up the U-12 any way you want it. The copedent charts are just suggestions - his guitars are made to order.
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Bob Kagy · From: Lafayette, CO USA

Thanks for all the comments - much appreciated, constructive.
bk

Tom Gorr · From: Three Hills, Alberta

Just back at my guitar....my left knee cluster is centered between my third and forth pedal, so just an inch or so to the left of the center of a 7 footpedal board.

There is no problem reaching anything with the vertical engaged. Its all about spacing this stuff out right.

mike nolan · From: Forest Hills, NY USA

My Williams has a long vertical lever that is easy to use with B6 pedals. I also have the lock lever, which I almost never use. You wouldn't really use it "on the fly" but only when you want to woodshed some "C6" standards. On the fly changes are easily accomplished with the lever that lowers the Es. The lock is easy to use, but requires that you reach down and slide it into position. It locks by friction. I'll post some pics, if you want.

Bob Kagy · From: Lafayette, CO USA

Mike, very helpful to hear that; if it's not too much trouble on the pics please post 1 or 2.
Thanks, bk

mike nolan · From: Forest Hills, NY USA

Here you go.....

The underside...

vertical....

lock...

Bob Kagy · From: Lafayette, CO USA

Much obliged Mike - the Williams undercarriage is impressive. I take it that the lock is at the changer end and rotates up into the undercarriage when not locked.
Very, very nice looking guitar.
Thanks again, bk

mike nolan · From: Forest Hills, NY USA

Hey Bob.

Actually the lever is located mid guitar and always hangs a bit below the apron. It isn't in the way of anything, unless you were sitting at the extreme right or left end of the guitar.

Lever is at the large arrow, rotating the cross shaft with the pullers at A and B.

Pete Burak · From: Portland, OR USA

Interestingly, That doesn't strike me as a long LKV.
It looks just long enough to use between LKL and LKR.
Just curious, What does you LKR do?
Thx,
pb

mike nolan · From: Forest Hills, NY USA

Pete,

The LKV isn't SUPER long, but quite a bit longer than the standard Williams. It does the job for me in the context of the rest of my copedent. As you can see, there isn't a whole lot of real estate there.

My LKR lowers the Es. I have long legs, and can reach all of my pedals from there.... so I never had to change from my setup on S-10 or D-10 guitars. If I had a situation where I was playing a substantial amount of straight C6, I would just take the D-10, or lock the change and fold away the LKR on the uni.

Bob Kagy · From: Lafayette, CO USA

Thanks again Mike. I had the same question as Pete when I looked at the vertical.
bk

Pete Burak · From: Portland, OR USA

...Not the greatest pic, but here is one of Jeff's Zum with the long LKV... I don't think he used a LKR at this time (His S12U copedant at one time was 7x4).

Lane Gray · From: Topeka, KS

My MSA has LKL between 4 and 5 and LKR between 6 and 7. Pedal 1 raises the F# and D# to G# and E respectively (therefore doesn't need to run with the F lever at LKL), and pedals 1 and 10 (yes, 10) are only slightly uncomfortable to reach.
If you put the levers in the right place, you can hit all the pedals easily enough.
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