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Topic: Franklin pedal location on an MSA classic |
Quentin Hickey
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Posted 8 Mar 2014 2:13 pm |
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I was just looking for feedback from some experienced MSA players. The pedal board on an MSA classic has 10 factory pedal mounting locations.
I noticed that in 99 % of MSA that location 1 and 10 are not used. When adding the Franklin pedal obviously the easiest thing would be to just add a pedal kit to the unused position 1. Is this an uncomfortable location to reach? I suppose for the amount of time you are going to be using that pedal that it would not be too big of an issue to get used to.
I could also move pedals A, B and C over one to the left one to so that Franklin pedal is at location 4 on the pedal board, would this put me left leg at a weird uncomfortable position for my knee levers.
I could also move everything up one so that location 10 is the boowah and location 2 is A pedal making the PF pedal at location 5. So just wanted to pick some brains and see what some of you guys ended up doing and the playability of your set up. As I said, that first location on the pedal board looks morbidly awkward and hard on the knee but I could be wrong.
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 8 Mar 2014 2:20 pm
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I'd contemplate adding raise helper springs to a few bellcranks (Easier than putting them on the fingers) and just have P4 do double duty. Possibly skip the springs, unless the tension got uncomfortable.
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Tony Dingus
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Kingsport, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 8 Mar 2014 7:06 pm
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I have it on the zero pedal which is easy going from the A & B pedals. I like it there but you might not.
Tony |
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Quentin Hickey
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Nova Scotia, Canada
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Posted 10 Mar 2014 2:00 pm
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OK thanks, I thought more people have played around with this pedal on an MSA. I may try out adding it to my C6 pedal 1 Lane and see how it works out. If not I may just track down some parts and add it to the first pedal mount on the pedal board and be done with it.
I think it may be more beneficial as pedal 0 but thats speaking with nill experience using it. |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 10 Mar 2014 6:41 pm
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Quentin, if you don't already have it on a knee, I'd put P0 to use on that first and second string raise. It plays off so well in conjunction with the A pedal.
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Wayne Neal
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 10 Mar 2014 8:39 pm
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I lower my E's with LKR so I like it on spot 4 to use together with this...I also adjust it way up so I dont get on any of the other pedals with it...but thats just my personal feel.
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Quentin Hickey
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Nova Scotia, Canada
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Posted 11 Mar 2014 5:26 am
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Yes, I see how nice that change would be on P-0.
I'm going to go double duty on P-4 and see what happens from there with regards to the PF change,
Thanks guys! |
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Larry Moore
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Hampton, Ga. USA
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Posted 11 Mar 2014 5:29 pm
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Just my choice is Emmons set up put it on first pedal
the day set up I would put it on the forth pedal
Just my $0.02 worth.
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Dale Rivard
From:
Ontario, Canada
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Posted 12 Mar 2014 3:26 pm
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| I agree with Wayne Neal on this. I use an Emmon's knee lever setup, so the best position for me is pedal 4. |
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Jay Riddle
From:
Pennsboro, W.V.
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Posted 13 Mar 2014 2:56 pm Franklin Raise
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| I was better off to put that raise on strings one and two on the forth pedal since my A pedal took up the first slot on the rack. I also have RKL to raise string one a whole step by itself and it is the best of both worlds to me. I would've put it on P0 if I were going to set it different sometime in the future. MSA Classic |
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Quentin Hickey
From:
Nova Scotia, Canada
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Posted 13 Mar 2014 4:10 pm
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Thanks!
I lower my E's on RKL so this is unaffected while using the PF pedal, guess thats why Paul has it on pedal 4,
Quentin
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Jay Riddle
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Pennsboro, W.V.
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Posted 13 Mar 2014 6:54 pm Franklin Raise
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| Your welcome, and I agree with ya. Pressing pedal 4 keeps your volume pedal steady. It takes a little practice if it's on the right kick to keep steady volume. |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 14 Mar 2014 8:46 am
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The original post
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Franklin pedal location on an MSA classic
I was just looking for feedback from some experienced MSA players. The pedal board on an MSA classic has 10 factory pedal mounting locations.
I noticed that in 99 % of MSA that location 1 and 10 are not used. When adding the Franklin pedal obviously the easiest thing would be to just add a pedal kit to the unused position 1. Is this an uncomfortable location to reach? I suppose for the amount of time you are going to be using that pedal that it would not be too big of an issue to get used to.
I could also move pedals A, B and C over one to the left one to so that Franklin pedal is at location 4 on the pedal board, would this put me left leg at a weird uncomfortable position for my knee levers.
I could also move everything up one so that location 10 is the boowah and location 2 is A pedal making the PF pedal at location 5. So just wanted to pick some brains and see what some of you guys ended up doing and the playability of your set up. As I said, that first location on the pedal board looks morbidly awkward and hard on the knee but I could be wrong.
Thanks!
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| I was better off to put that raise on strings one and two on the forth pedal since my A pedal took up the first slot on the rack. I also have RKL to raise string one a whole step by itself and it is the best of both worlds to me. I would've put it on P0 if I were going to set it different sometime in the future. MSA Classic |
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| Quentin, if you don't already have it on a knee, I'd put P0 to use on that first and second string raise. It plays off so well in conjunction with the A pedal. |
I'm confused by some of the answers. He asked about the "Franklin Pedal". For years now, we as a group have referred to the "Franklin Pedal" as one that lowers strings 5, 6, and 10 a whole tone. I've really never heard anyone talking about the 1st and 2nd string raises referred to as the "Franklin Pedal".
But if he is talking about the 1st and 2nd string raises, I have them on a pedal next to my A pedal. I play the Day setup, so this would be on P4.
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Jay Riddle
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Pennsboro, W.V.
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Posted 14 Mar 2014 9:25 am Franklin Pedal
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I believe Paul raises the 1&2nd string which he chose as one of his signature changes. Yes, he lowers strings 5,6, and 10 which is another. But yes, I am raising strings 1,2 with my fourth pedal and that is the Franklin pedal I believe.
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 14 Mar 2014 9:35 am
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But those changes are not what people refer to when they say the "Franklin Pedal" (do a search). Several player have been using the high F# to G# yor many years. I have never seen other player's copedents that had the 5, 6, 10 string lowers on one pedal. I think the major players that have that chance now, got it from Paul.
When Quenton se's this, maybe he will clarify which changes he is talking about.
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Carter D10 8p/8k, Dekley S10 3p/4k C6 setup,Regal RD40 Dobro, Recording King Professional Dobro, NV400, NV112,Ibanez Gio guitar, Epiphone SG Special (open D slide guitar) . Playing for 55 years and still counting. |
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Ian Sutton
From:
San Francisco, CA
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Posted 14 Mar 2014 9:42 am
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I've been thinking of lowering 5 and 6 on KLV on my MSA Classic. I rarely use the 5 and 10 half tone lower, and it's easy enough to change back.
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Jay Riddle
From:
Pennsboro, W.V.
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Posted 14 Mar 2014 9:46 am To Clarify
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| There are a bunch of possibilities as to how they are raised and lowered no doubt. That is how I'm raising them on my copedant and it's up to the steel player where to put them. I am a professional in my playing ability as well as you and don't care which either pedal or knee does it. |
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Jay Riddle
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Pennsboro, W.V.
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Posted 14 Mar 2014 10:29 am To Clarify
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| I lower string 10 a whole step with the same pedal that raises strings 1,2. Could rig the LKV to lower 5,6,and 10 instead of the usual 5,10 half step lower.(do a search) |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 15 Mar 2014 9:01 am
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Oops. Meant to go on Carl's thread.
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Quentin Hickey
From:
Nova Scotia, Canada
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Posted 15 Mar 2014 10:19 am
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| Richard Sinkler wrote: |
But those changes are not what people refer to when they say the "Franklin Pedal" (do a search). Several player have been using the high F# to G# yor many years. I have never seen other player's copedents that had the 5, 6, 10 string lowers on one pedal. I think the major players that have that chance now, got it from Paul.
When Quenton se's this, maybe he will clarify which changes he is talking about. |
Richard, I am talking about the PF change, lowering string 5,6 and 10 a whole tone,
I basically have my levers set up the same as Pauls but was just wondering the best way I would benefit of the Franklin pedal location.
Since I lower my E's on RKL maybe its not that important but I don't want to go through all the trouble of re-rodding/or buying extra pedal/pull kits and than say "darn it why didn't I do this or that instead".
So basically just looking for feedback on what other MSA classic guys with similar copedants to me have done. I do appreciate everyone's input though! |
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Wayne Neal
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 15 Mar 2014 10:51 am
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More than likely you will run these changes on a 4 hole bell crank and in th lowest spot on the changer...so buy your stuff to go in "0" (pull tod lenth) position and if you change to "4" you can leave the extra stuck through the pull pin until you make up your mind. 
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