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Topic: 3 pedals 2 feet ? |
roger kole
From:
Locust Valley, NY, USA
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Posted 6 Aug 2002 10:38 am |
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| does anyone play the C pedal (E 9th) with the right foot while working the A & B with the left ? thanks |
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Larry Bell
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Englewood, Florida
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Posted 6 Aug 2002 11:09 am
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Not exactly the same as the typical A/B/C, but Ralph Mooney has made a career out of two-footed pedal hopping. and some mighty fine music.
On E9, he uses 7 pedals and only one pull on each of those pedals -- plus a couple of knees -- but his feet are all over the place.
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 6 Aug 2002 12:41 pm
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I've seen guys use both feet on the C6th pedals but never on the E9th pedals. If you plan ahead, you can make the switch with the left foot without too much effort. 
Uff-Da y'all! |
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Abe Stoklasa
From:
Nashville, TN
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Posted 6 Aug 2002 7:32 pm
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Roger Kole,
I DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I usually let people see it for theirselves and wonder what I'm doing. I started doing this when the transition from BC to AB was just sloppy. It can't be done smoothly. (Hehe, you'll get a kick out of this. I actually tried taking my left foot from BC position, turning it upside DOWN, and go to the AB position while still pushing the B pedal down the whole time. Til, I discovered I could use both feet!) It's useful when you have A + B down, and you can hit C and it only changes the 4th string. Great Licks in slow stuff. You can get full chords instead of just 2 stringed harmony.
I realize that most steel players do not have the easy-to-move legs as I do. I can whip my right leg back and forth mid-lick. Most people can't. It's just cause I'm, well, younger. No offense
I find it most REQUIRED to use both feet on C6th. It's a natural for me.
I'm weird, aren't I?[This message was edited by abraham on 06 August 2002 at 08:38 PM.] |
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Michael Johnstone
From:
Sylmar,Ca. USA
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Posted 6 Aug 2002 10:53 pm
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| If you put the 4th string whole step raise on a knee lever,you can have it all plus do somthing else w/the third("C")pedal - and your right foot. |
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Raymond Beale
From:
Rosenberg, Texas, USA
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Posted 7 Aug 2002 12:46 pm
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I played for years without the C pedal, using a vertical above the A&B pedals to make that 4th string pull to F#. Yes it works as the C pedal plus giving you some other neat licks. The past year or so I added the C pedal. I wont give up the vertical, but I find getting to the BC is easier than tiptoing AB to push the vertical. Just the way I'm setup I guess.
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MSA S-12, Williams S-12, Evans amp, POD lINE 6.
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Joerg Hennig
From:
Bavaria, Germany
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Posted 7 Aug 2002 1:52 pm
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I have both the C pedal and the E to F# lever. I, too, use it on it´s own or also in combination with the A and B pedals. What most don´t have is that mine is on the right side (RKL) which means that, when I use it with the pedals, I don´t have to bend my left leg which is already occupied with the pedals; that makes for a more direct feel and is in fact a bit like using both feet. But the biggest advantage is that I can use the volume pedal at the same time.
Regards, Joe H. |
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Chip Fossa
From:
Monson, MA, USA (deceased)
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Posted 7 Aug 2002 1:59 pm
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Many Lloyd Green licks employ a lot of
mashing B&C pedals. b0b had a thread going
for a while on this, as he only has the 4th
E-F# raise and no C pedal, and wanted some
Lloyd licks for "You Ain't Goin' Nowhere", that he had to quickly come up with for an approaching gig.
He said he found it real difficult to pull off that sound [B&C] with just the E-F# raise. I can see what he's saying. On my U-12 I have it both ways.
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Jeff Watson
From:
Anza, CA. USA
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Posted 7 Aug 2002 2:34 pm
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| Interesting. For years I thought I was the only steeler alive who didn't use a C pedal (my E - F# is on my RKL). |
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basilh
From:
United Kingdom
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Gil Berry
From:
Westminster, CA, USA
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Posted 14 Aug 2002 3:53 am
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Me 2. I have the E-F# change on LKL. This let me use the "C" pedal for a 1/2-A (5th & 9th string B to C) (on a U12) which matches up very nicely with pedal 4 (which is my Boo-wah pedal). Allows a really full chord endling lick one fret up from normal E9 "pedals down" position. Example, in C chord - 4th fret open (G#) to C (my C & Boo-wah, in pedal positions 3 & 4)....neway....
But my rocking off-on BC pedal change is not really as clean with the knee and AB pedals as it should be...... |
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Greg Gefell
From:
Upstate NY
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Posted 1 Oct 2009 9:33 am
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If you added the E->F# raise on a knee lever - what would be the best "replacement" change to put on the C pedal then?
I thought about G# to G but then the BC combination is pretty useless.
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Georg Sørtun
From:
Mandal, Agder, Norway
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Posted 1 Oct 2009 2:33 pm
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| Greg Gefell wrote: |
| If you added the E->F# raise on a knee lever - what would be the best "replacement" change to put on the C pedal then? |
I have that E to F# raise on LKL, and am contemplating putting the "Franklin pedal" lowerings on the C pedal. That change will work well with B+C pedal too, me thinks. |
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Greg Gefell
From:
Upstate NY
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Posted 2 Oct 2009 8:50 am
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| Georg Sørtun wrote: |
| I have that E to F# raise on LKL, and am contemplating putting the "Franklin pedal" lowerings on the C pedal. That change will work well with B+C pedal too, me thinks. |
If you engage your E to F# raise and slide down 2 frets, doesn't that give you the same notes as the Franklin change?
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Georg Sørtun
From:
Mandal, Agder, Norway
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Posted 2 Oct 2009 9:58 am
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| Greg Gefell wrote: |
| If you engage your E to F# raise and slide down 2 frets, doesn't that give you the same notes as the Franklin change? |
Same notes, yes, but not the same, playable, change.
This is true for many PSG changes; it is quite often a question of "how" we find the notes/chords we want/need and "how" we can/must/want to progress from one change to another. Having overlapping alternatives is one of the greatest advantages of a well set-up PSG copedent, IMO, as it gives us more choices about "how to get there" and "where to go from here" depending on what we want our changes/progressions to sound like.
I'm only missing the full-note B to A lowering on string 5 and 10 on my PSG, as I otherwise have all string raises being met/overlapped by a lowering of the next higher string. |
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John Polstra
From:
Lopez Island, WA, USA
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Posted 2 Oct 2009 10:30 am
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| Chip Fossa wrote: |
Many Lloyd Green licks employ a lot of
mashing B&C pedals. b0b had a thread going
for a while on this, as he only has the 4th
E-F# raise and no C pedal, and wanted some
Lloyd licks for "You Ain't Goin' Nowhere", that he had to quickly come up with for an approaching gig.
He said he found it real difficult to pull off that sound [B&C] with just the E-F# raise. I can see what he's saying. On my U-12 I have it both ways.
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Chip, where is your E->F# raise on your U12? I'd love to add it to mine, but I can't think of a place to put it. My current levers are:
LKR E->Eb
LKL E->F
LKV F#->G (strings 1 and 7)
RKL B->Bb (string 5)
RKR changes strings 2 and 9 to D
The E->F# change obviously couldn't be added to my LKR or LKL. If I added it to LKV it would interfere with my main use of that lever, making dominant 7th chords with AB down. Adding it to RKL would screw up the use of that lever in B6 mode. Adding it to RKR would interfere with making dominant 7th chords in the no-pedals position.
John |
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Ryan Barwin
From:
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 2 Oct 2009 11:01 am
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I raise strings 4 and 8 from E to F# on my LKV, and I also have the C pedal. I use them differently...there's things that you can do with the lever that you can't do with it on a pedal, and things that require it to be on a pedal, and don't work smoothly with the lever. So it's pretty versatile this way.
I got rid of the B to Bb change, because I wasn't using it much, and can do most of the same stuff with slanting or half-pedalling. It works fine on a D-10, but if you're playing a universal, you probably need the B to Bb change on a lever.
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John Groover McDuffie
From:
LA California, USA
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Posted 6 Oct 2009 10:56 am
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I used to do this all the time on my Sho-Bud s-10 with 3+4, but on my current guitars with more pedals I find it difficult to hit the C pedal accurately with my right foot.
Great trick, though. |
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Jerry Hayes
From:
Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 8 Oct 2009 1:26 am
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On my S-12 I don't have the normal C pedal but I do have 8 floor pedals so I have two of them which I use only with the right foot. Pedal 7 raises strings 1 & 7 F# to G and my 8th pedal raises only the 4th string to F#. It's easier to get some authentic Mooney sounds when you don't have the B string coming up to C# with the 4th string raise, that's mostly why I do it plus I love the sound of raising the 4th string when the A & B pedals are depressed. Also my 7th pedal works well with the pedals down for those 7th chord changes.....JH in Va.
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