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Topic: Mono pedal board - 2 amps |
Brett Lanier
From:
Madison, TN
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Posted 20 Jan 2014 7:42 pm |
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| Looking for a little advice with splitting my signal to two amps after my pedal board. The last pedal (and often only) one on my board is a mono wet reverb. That pedal with my Standel amp is really incredible sounding, however sometimes I need more stage volume than that. Would a buffer with 2 outs do the trick? I hesitate to add any more gadgets, but also notice with the amps jumped together the Standel doesn't sound as good as it did alone, and that's the one getting mic'ed. Any thoughts? |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 20 Jan 2014 7:55 pm
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If it's getting miced, move it closer to you. It'll sound louder.
Otherwise, yeah, a 2-output buffer. Or an old Izzy Plus (the Plus isn't in production), which has up to 24db gain, so you could split it without a volume drop.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Brett Lanier
From:
Madison, TN
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Posted 20 Jan 2014 8:03 pm
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| Lane Gray wrote: |
| If it's getting miced, move it closer to you. It'll sound louder. |
I don't mind doing that, but it doesn't work when I'm 20 ft from the bandleader and he wants to hear me but doesn't want it in his monitors. |
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Alex Cattaneo
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Quebec, Canada
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Posted 20 Jan 2014 8:30 pm
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Maybe check the stuff made by Radial and Tonebone. They have all sorts of splitters and distributors, and the quality is outstanding.
Something like this:
http://www.radialeng.com/bigshotaby.php
It's important to watch for phase cancellation and ground loop issues. This box takes care of both. |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 21 Jan 2014 4:05 am
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Mic the Standel, use it as a monitor and point a Session 500 at him, set not on Stun, but "Kill".
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Joshua Gibson
From:
Arizona, USA
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Posted 21 Jan 2014 5:15 am
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Two choices, Morley ABY or a similar any switch, or just use a boss DD---,
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'83 Mullen custom D-10 8x5.
Mesa Lonestar classic 112 custom cab.
Session 400 Ltd, Nashville 1000,
Telonics, Zoom, BJS,
Goldtone BS, LITM, OS Dobros.
Fender, G&L, Gibson, Ibanez guitars. |
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Chris Rice
From:
Illinois, USA
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Posted 21 Jan 2014 5:23 am
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| A buffered splitter will almost always sound better. Many BOSS pitfalls will work, as Joshua Gibson says. I've split with the DM-3, DD-2, DD-3, DD-5, DD-6, DD-7, CE-3, TU-2, and probably some I've forgotten about. Pretty much anything with stereo outs or a direct and an effect out. I'm currently splitting with a Strymon El Capistan. |
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Brett Lanier
From:
Madison, TN
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Posted 21 Jan 2014 4:45 pm
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Thanks for the suggestion on the radial Alex. By phase cancellation do you simply mean having the two speakers in phase with one another?
I actually have an El Cap as well, but I think I prefer the sound of my old boss dm2 for steel.
Anyone have any experience with these? I sure like how small it is. http://www.nosepedal.com/store/nose-hero-buffer |
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Alex Cattaneo
From:
Quebec, Canada
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Posted 21 Jan 2014 8:15 pm
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When I was playing guitar with two amps, ground loop hum was a given. If you don't have a box like the Radial then you need to ground lift one of the amps... which is apparently quite dangerous with tube amps, but I guess I was lucky! I was using one of those ground lift plugs on one of the amps to get rid of the ground loop...
Phase cancellation is when both amps are out of phase phase and cancel each other. The result is that your amps will sound weak no matter how loud they are. I don't know the science of it precisely, but when you play in stereo it is a fairly common issue. Made a big difference when I got the Radial, I could just flip the phase switch and one setting usually sounded WAY better than the other.
So, in short, I strongly advise something that can tackle those two common problems.
"Phase cancellation occurs when two signals of the same frequency are out of phase with each other resulting in a net reduction in the overall level of the combined signal. If two identical signals are 100% or 180 degrees out of phase they will completely cancel one another if combined. When similar complex signals (such as the left and right channel of a stereo music program) are combined phase cancellation will cause some frequencies to be cut, while others may end up boosted." |
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Brett Lanier
From:
Madison, TN
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Posted 21 Jan 2014 8:37 pm
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I do the same thing with a ground lift when two amps are grounded. As far as the phase issue goes, I've wired all the speakers in all of my amps so that they are in phase with each other. I bet it's handy having the switch on closed back cabs though...
Btw, my amp guy said a better way to stop the ground loop problem would be to unground an instrument cable that's in your setup rather than an amp. It makes sense to me, I just haven't tried it yet. My Standel has an ungrounded plug, so that's not an issue. |
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Chris Rice
From:
Illinois, USA
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Posted 21 Jan 2014 9:15 pm
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When you lift the ground of one amp, that amp is still grounded through your signal chain to the other amp. That may not be as reliable of a ground connection as direct to the wall, but the amp is still grounded. Lifting the shield on one of the cables is just as easy and has less chance of being a danger.
You should hunt down a DM-3. Sounds essentially the same as the DM-2, but has a direct out that can be used as a buffered split. |
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Joshua Gibson
From:
Arizona, USA
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Posted 23 Jan 2014 12:41 am
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Another thought,  I forgot about this one, just run Your FX right before Your volume pedal and use an old Emmons pot or something with stereo outputs and run one into the Standel and one into the session, easy.
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'83 Mullen custom D-10 8x5.
Mesa Lonestar classic 112 custom cab.
Session 400 Ltd, Nashville 1000,
Telonics, Zoom, BJS,
Goldtone BS, LITM, OS Dobros.
Fender, G&L, Gibson, Ibanez guitars. |
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