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Topic: Is it copedEnt with an E or copedAnt with an A |
Mike Perlowin
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Los Angeles CA
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 19 Dec 2013 2:35 am |
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Bill and Winnie spelt it with an E. Good enough fer me.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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Peter Nylund
From:
Finland
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Posted 19 Dec 2013 4:31 am
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| Lane Gray wrote: |
| Bill and Winnie spelt it with an E. Good enough fer me. |
Next question: Is the correct word spelt or spelled?
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I know my playing is a bit pitchy, but at least my tone sucks |
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Jay Jessup
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Charlottesville, VA, USA
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Posted 19 Dec 2013 4:58 am
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Mike,
I have some vague long ago memory of an article in either Guitar Player or possibly Steel Guitarist magazine where your buddy up the road, Tom Bradshaw, outlined the need for the word and then revealed it to the world so he would be the source for the correct spelling.
Peter--good catch LOL!!! |
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Don Poland
From:
Hanover, PA.
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Posted 19 Dec 2013 5:38 am
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| Why does it matter? Is the word mis-understood when spelled either way, when read by most any pedal steel guitar player? I would guess not. |
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Jim Cohen
From:
Philadelphia, PA
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Roger Shackelton
From:
MINNESOTA (deceased)
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Posted 19 Dec 2013 7:12 am
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If Anyone Is In Doubt About "COPEDENT" Ask Tom Bradshaw, He Invented This Acronym. 
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Bob Russell
From:
Virginia, USA
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Posted 19 Dec 2013 7:19 am
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| Peter Nylund wrote: |
| Lane Gray wrote: |
| Bill and Winnie spelt it with an E. Good enough fer me. |
Next question: Is the correct word spelt or spelled? |
"Spelt" is a type of grain. It's also the British spelling for "spelled".
So if Mr. Gray had been typing from a UK address, he would have spelt spelled correctly. But I'm no expert, so take that with a grain... of salt. Did that help?
(PS - It's "copedent", with an "e".)
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 19 Dec 2013 11:26 am
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I'd just been watching James May on Headsqueeze.
Although I'm still fuzzy on the rules for using "whilst" vs "while"
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Gary Dunn
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near Camel City, NC
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Posted 19 Dec 2013 11:35 am
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| "Spelt" is a noun and "spelled" is a past tense verb; therefore, one has to use each in the appropriate context. |
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Tab Tabscott
From:
Somewhere between Vashon Island and The mainland.
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Posted 19 Dec 2013 11:46 am Setup
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I have to admit I have never said the word aloud because I was unsure whether to say "dent" or "dant" and I didn't want to sound like a dummy in front of the other steel players, so I've always just used "setup" instead, but now that it's cleared up, I'll start using it. It's always good to expand your vocabularly.
Here's one for you..."Pogonip". Means "ice fog", as in:
"I'd change the copedent on my garage guitar but this darn pogonip has it all rimed up"
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Tab Tabscott
Play nice.
They is none else. |
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Mitch Ellis
From:
Collins, Mississippi USA
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Posted 19 Dec 2013 7:51 pm
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Which part of the word gets the accent?
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 19 Dec 2013 8:53 pm
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I've always put primary accent on the first syllable, secondary accent on second syllable, and the third unaccented.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Jeff Metz Jr.
From:
York, Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 20 Dec 2013 12:11 am
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Now how is it pronounced?
I say (co-pee-dint) but I have heard others use (copa-dint).
What is correct?
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Mullen G2 SD10 , Lil Izzy Buffer, Goodrich 120 volume pedal, Boss DD-7, Peterson Strobo flip, Peavey Nashville 112 |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 20 Dec 2013 12:51 am
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I've always heard and used "CÅ-pÄ“-dint¹, but for all I know, it's a regional thing.
¹couldn't find where Android hides the schwa, that upside down "e" of an unaccented vowel.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Anders Eriksson
From:
Mora, Dalecarlia, Sweden
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Posted 20 Dec 2013 1:51 am
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From SGHOF
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TOM BRADSHAW
DURING FIVE DECADES, TOM PRODUCED NUMEROUS ALBUMS, SEMINARS AND
CONCERTS. AS AN ENTREPRENEUR, HE PROMOTED AN UNTOLD NUMBER OF
PLAYERS’ PRODUCTS, GAVE US THE WORD “COPEDENTâ€, AND BECAME A NOTED
GUITAR CRAFTSMAN. AS PUBLISHER OF STEEL GUITARIST MAGAZINE AND COLUMNIST
AND WRITER FOR GUITAR PLAYER, HE WAS STEEL’S FOREMOST
JOURNALIST OF HIS TIME, DOCUMENTING PLAYER’S HISTORIES AND
THE INSTRUMENT’S EVOLUTION.
BORN: FEBRUARY 14, 1935 SKIATOOK, OKLAHOMA
INDUCTED: 2006 |
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Peter Nylund
From:
Finland
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Posted 20 Dec 2013 3:11 am
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Why don't we all go back to lap steel, then we wouldn't need to discuss the matter? 
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I know my playing is a bit pitchy, but at least my tone sucks |
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Will Cowell
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Cambridgeshire, UK
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Posted 20 Dec 2013 4:46 am
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Apart from the Tom Bradshaw thing, we should consider that "pedant" is someone guilty of being pedantic. Like insisting upon correct spelling. Guilty as charged, incidentally! For me it has always been "copedent", with the accent on the "pee". No, I'm not taking the p**s....
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Williams 700 series keyless U12,
Sierra keyless U14, Eezzee-Slide & BJS bars
Moth-eaten old Marshall 150 combo
Roland Cube 80XL, Peterson Strobo+HD,
EarthQuaker Despatch Master for reverb / delay |
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 20 Dec 2013 8:19 am
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| Peter Nylund wrote: |
| Why don't we all go back to lap steel, then we wouldn't need to discuss the matter? |
Then we'd have to spell it copedon't .
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David Donn
From:
New South Wales, Australia
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Tom Gorr
From:
Three Hills, Alberta
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Posted 20 Dec 2013 1:44 pm
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| Will Cowell wrote: |
| Apart from the Tom Bradshaw thing, we should consider that "pedant" is someone guilty of being pedantic. Like insisting upon correct spelling. Guilty as charged, incidentally! |
Nice! |
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 21 Dec 2013 5:21 am
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So, if you were playing a Multi-Kord, would it be kopedent?
Not that it really matters, but I've always used and preferred the word "setup", as that was the standard term before "copedent" came along. |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 21 Dec 2013 11:43 am
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| mike, are you sure you didn't mean codependant? |
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Tom Bradshaw
From:
Walnut Creek, California, USA
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Posted 30 Dec 2013 11:40 am It's COPEDENT!
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This topic has come up with regularity since Bob Lee created this Forum. I came up with this word away back in the 1970s when I was a columnist for Guitar Player Magazines (my old "Pedal Steel Workshop"). I coined the word because I wanted a word that had only one meaning and dedicated to our instrument. It was coined to refer to the pedal and knee lever changes that altered the basic tunings. I wanted a word that would not be confused with any other word. I took the first and second letters from the word "Chord", the first three letters from the word "Pedal" and the last three letters from the word "Arrangement" and stuck them together. I pronounced it "Co-pee-dent". I printed it in one of my articles in GP magazine.
Winnie Winston and I were friends. When he was writing an instructional booklet titled "Pedal Steel Guitar", he asked me if he could include some of my writings in that publication. I consented. Unfortunately, he (or a typesetter) misspelled the word in that book, spelling it "copedant". Unfortunately that led to the two spellings of the word, with many more people reading his booklet than reading anything I ever wrote after that!
Hey, mis-pronouncing words is a common problem in all languages. Take the word "resume". If you want it to refer to a summary of thoughts instead of referring to "beginning again", it needs an accent mark that few typewriters possess (nor does my computer keyboard). Thus, it is confusing when that word appears in print, since you don't know how to pronounce it and sometimes it is even hard to know what it refers to. The only confusing thing about copedent is how to pronounce it. Once you know how to do that, it will roll off your lips like a wet kiss! It has nothing to do with "co-dependency", except that we can always "depend" on it to have one meaning for our instrument. In coining such a word, I just felt we needed a word we could always "depend" on. As for "setup", besides all the other meanings, I didn't like it because it was what you had to order if you wanted a mixed drink in States that prohibited alcohol sales in bars! ...Tom
P.S.: Someday I need to find the time to make my case with the Oxford English Dictionary people and get it officially included in the English lexicon. |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 30 Dec 2013 12:02 pm
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| thanks tom. you deserve a big wet kiss for that explanation. |
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