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Topic: I thought i would regret it |
Jimmy Gibson
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Posted 19 Dec 2013 8:23 am |
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Because I needed to go lighter I decided to part with my old Sho-Bud Custom 3,i thought I would regret it but I took a chance and took a Magnum Pro Select SD10 as a PX and I am absolutely blown away with this steel, great sounding playing steel great tuning stability very light and very very easy to work on took me only 20 minuets to change to a Day set up.
I don`t regret it in any way.
Now with new legs ..
What do any other Magnum owners think of these great steels?
Jimmy.
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Dale Ware
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Posted 19 Dec 2013 2:00 pm Magnum
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| I don't own one now but have in the past. Great guitars. Designed by Bud Carter and built by Mitchell Smithey, the same person now building the MSA guitars. Hard to not be great guitars. Dale |
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Jeff Metz Jr.
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York, Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 19 Dec 2013 6:25 pm
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Congratulations Dale!
Another Forum member turned to a modern instrument.
The old Buds have their charm, but the modern playability and Ease/stability of tuning on these new steels Far exceed any older mechanism .
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Jimmy Gibson
From:
Cornwall, England
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Posted 30 Dec 2013 12:47 pm Wow
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Well i did two gigs over the weekend,and i was very inpressed with the Magnum,it played like a dream and sounded great and i did not even have to touch the tuning.No regrets what so ever in parting with my Bud this little guitar is as good as it gets in all dept.
Very happy and so is my 75 year old back.
Jimmy. |
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Ken Campbell
From:
Ferndale, Montana
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Posted 30 Dec 2013 12:59 pm
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Hey Jeff, can you please articulate the specific ways that newer guitars are better than "charming" old Sho-Buds? And please make sure and clearly describe each Sho-Bud you played in your comparison.
Thanks
Kc |
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Ray Anderson
From:
Jenkins, Kentucky USA
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Posted 30 Dec 2013 1:07 pm
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+ 1 for Ken, I'd like to hear that also. Enthusiastic overload. JMHO  |
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Bob Knight
From:
Bowling Green KY
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Posted 30 Dec 2013 1:19 pm
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I concur with Ken and Ray.
Jeff can you be a little more specific? I fail to see the whole picture from your statement.
You need to be a little more cautious what you say on the forum. Your statement is far from the truth and some of the newer guys believe everything they see on here.
Bob
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Tucker Jackson
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 30 Dec 2013 1:21 pm
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What... people can't gush about their latest guitar on the forum anymore? I thought it was a requirement? 
| Ken Campbell wrote: |
| Hey Jeff, can you please articulate the specific ways that newer guitars are better than "charming" old Sho-Buds? |
| Jimmy Gibson wrote: |
| great sounding playing steel great tuning stability very light and very very easy to work on took me only 20 minuets to change to a Day set up. |
| Jimmy Gibson wrote: |
| it played like a dream and sounded great and i did not even have to touch the tuning... Very happy and so is my 75 year old back. |
I'm not Jimmy, but I'm not sure what else he can say to articulate that it's light weight, easy to work on and has tuning stability. Apparently, tone was not sacrificed in the trade-off. That's enough to love a guitar, isn't it? Especially if you've been hauling a heavy steel to gigs for years that won't stay in tune.
Don't get me wrong, I love Sho-Buds. Love. Them. Great guitars in my opinion, but like all steels, they have strengths and weaknesses; everything is a trade-off so we all decide what works. |
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Joshua Gibson
From:
Arizona, USA
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Posted 30 Dec 2013 1:45 pm
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Gentleman... Y'all are overanalyzing Jimmy's post,
He DID NOT say that the Magnum was Better then His old Bud, He said that He DOES NOT REGRET going with said magnum because it fits all the criteria that He was looking for WITHOUT feeling like He stepped downhill from His Sho Bud, so knock off the "enthusiastic overload" stuff and let the man enjoy His new steel!, congrats on what sounds to be an excellent guitar Jimmy .
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 30 Dec 2013 2:10 pm
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Joshua, the responses came not to Jimmy, but Jeff's enthusiastic endorsement of it. And it's probably legitimate, given that it doesn't appear that Jeff has ever HAD a Bud (although he did have an unfortunate experience with a maladjusted push-pull), although has probably read some of the well-known issues of them.
Personally, I kinda think of steels like cars: the new ones have unmatched reliability and unerring, unflinching perfect responsiveness. But they lack the SOUL of the wonky, cantankerous, tricky, finicky antiques (Like the Top Gear folks admitting that modern Paganis and Bentleys are utterly mindbendingly awesome machines, but they'd rather drive an E-type Jag. I miss my 240Z and can't wait to get my Bud up and running, but I'm keeping my Zum).
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Ray Anderson
From:
Jenkins, Kentucky USA
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Posted 30 Dec 2013 2:24 pm
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Thank you Lane, you saved me from getting my hands slapped. I appreciate it.  Maybe reading glasses would help, not sure.  |
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Joshua Gibson
From:
Arizona, USA
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Posted 30 Dec 2013 6:41 pm
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My apologies Lane and Ray...  , I apparently missed Jeff's post, believe Me I completely agree on the new/old car metaphor, The most modern steel I have is an '83 Mullen and My ,76 PP is My go to...I've yet to be thoroughly impressed by a brand new steel, but they have their improvements as far as ease of mechanical adjustment but I'll take the headache of a PP for the tone. 
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Jimmy Gibson
From:
Cornwall, England
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Posted 31 Dec 2013 1:53 am Magnum
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Just to make things clear, I did not say the Magnum was a better steel the Bud was a good steel,played and sounded ok when I got it in tune but IMHO the Magnum plays better sounds great and does not need a fork lift to pick it up.
And also it is the easiest steel to work on I have ever had in my 45 years of playing steel, so I think I know a good steel when I play one. I have had and played most brands over the years, and this Magnum is up there with the best of them in tone and playability maybe not every ones cup of tea because it`s not all polished and shiny but if it plays great sounds great and has no tuning issues that`s all and that matters to me.
JIMMY.... |
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Jeff Metz Jr.
From:
York, Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 31 Dec 2013 1:45 pm
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boy oh boy. Some people just have nothing better to do than to turn a fine thread into another crying festival.
You've missed the whole point.
and by the way, I have played quite a few buds.
f you don't think that modern mechanics make steels easier to operate and make tuning faster/easier than I don't think. you have tried one. that's just my opinion however. These are all just my point of view.
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John Roche
From:
England
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Posted 31 Dec 2013 2:00 pm
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| I'm in the same process, The Bud too heavy for me so I'm getting a sum stage one as soon as I sell it, I love the sound of the bud but needs say get a lighter steel, as far as I can work out the stage one is quite light and easy to maintain...so I understand why Jimmy has changed ,it has noting to do with Bud. anyway it will put another bud in the hands of a younger player so carrying the sho-bud forward.amen |
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Howard Steinberg
From:
St. Petersburg, Florida , USA
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Posted 31 Dec 2013 2:49 pm
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It's really nice to hear from someone who is 25 years old and excited about playing psg. I can't even remember when I was 25 years old.
Many of us need to go with light weight guitars in order to stay in the game. From my perspective the less energy that I need to put into the guitar, the more that I can put into the neurotic perfectionism that makes playing this beast a wonderful experience.
I thought that "soul " was a characteristic of the player not the instrument. That said, If I had enough room I'd have a few buds, pp's. And maybe an MSA set up in my man cave.
Meanwhile, for playing out, the modern, all pull, light weight guitar is my thang.
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Jeff Metz Jr.
From:
York, Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 1 Jan 2014 12:48 am
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Thanks Howard.
Your post is the meaning of all I was getting at in mine. I wasn't knocking any instruments. I just think that FOR ME the modern instruments let me focus more on playing , rather than making adjustments/tuning.
I'm sure that nobody meant any harm in this thread, It's just that it is hard to understand the inflections and phrasing that one might use when stating a point verbally, while reading their text. Good luck to all
EVERY STEEL IS A BLESSING!
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Malcolm McMaster
From:
Beith Ayrshire Scotland
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Posted 1 Jan 2014 8:52 am
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I agree with Jeff, and before all you Bud fans jump down my throat, I played a Bud for twenty years.My take on it is 1 -the mechanics /engineering on my MSA are much improved and smoother than the Bud 2 -The quality of the materials used are far superior.3 -The quality of the finish is far superior. 4- in MY Opinion the sustain is better. Now Buds were great guitars in their day, but did have their faults as far as build quality and materials used, Again I say in MY opinion a new Show Pro is a vastly superior built guitar to an old Bud,just as a new car of most makes are vastly superior to most of the older cars, would you really want to drive about every day in an old car? I think that idea is a misplaced memory.I think each and everyone on this forum should be free to play and like whatever guitar THEY like and express that view without being beat up by other forum members who seem to think that their views on guitars should be the correct one and everybody else is wrong.I do know others here do prefer older guitars and that is ok by me, just not my choice.
Buds are great guitars as are MSA, Mullen, Carter, Derby, Rains, Emmons etc etc.I have tried them all and this is just MY take on things , as they say other opinions and views are available.No matter what you play just enjoy it and let others do the same, everyone's taste is different,but that doesn't make it wrong.
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Jimmy Gibson
From:
Cornwall, England
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Posted 3 Jan 2014 3:35 pm magnum
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A few post back I said I did not say the Magnum was a better steel than Sho- buds, but now Imho the Magnum is a far better steel than the Bud I traded it in for, and that was a pretty good guitar but in the last two weeks I have not had to touch the tuning just set it up and play it.
It don`t get much better than that.
Please take note I said the Magnum I have is better than the Bud I got rid of.
Jimmy. |
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Ken Byng
From:
Southampton, England
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Posted 4 Jan 2014 2:55 am
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Good move Jimmy. The Magnum probably suits your needs better than anything else out there at the moment, especially with your back history. Sho~Buds have the heritage, tone and kudos, but for a gigging guitar with their aging mechanics they are not first choice instruments for everyone. Modern pulls are better set up on modern guitars, and the Carter company had a huge amount of experience enabling them to design a lightweight but stable guitar with good tone.
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Jimmy Gibson
From:
Cornwall, England
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Posted 4 Jan 2014 3:52 am Magnum
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Yes Ken I agree with you 100% and with the Magnum having a 4 raise 2 lower changer it can be set up very quickly to anyone's preferred pedal and knee lever feel,
Great modern steel up there with best IMHO..
JIMMY.
With the new legs,
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John McClung
From:
Olympia WA, USA
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Posted 4 Jan 2014 9:27 pm
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Wasn't the Magnum an odd off-shoot of Carter steels? I never quite got the whole story, someone give us some history, thanks!
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Will Cowell
From:
Cambridgeshire, UK
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Posted 5 Jan 2014 11:44 am
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So many people swear by Buds, I keep wondering what I'm missing. My buddy John Davis is an enthusiast, but I find I get better pedal "feel" and regularity of pull with a modern all-pull steel. The Bud feels "dead" to my feet, there just isn't the feedback.
That said, my hands aren't capable of reaping the tonal benefits that undoubtedly come from a Bud, I am too green still to be able to achieve that - I'm just thinking of "playability" here. And oh yes, my Williams is lighter too!
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George Macdonald
From:
Vancouver Island BC Canada
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Posted 5 Jan 2014 12:23 pm Magnum
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| John, As I recall, the Magnum line was developed to be sold in music stores, where Carters could only be purchased directly from Carter or from one authorized dealer in another Country, such as Al Brisco at "Steel Guitars Of Canada". |
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John McClung
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Posted 5 Jan 2014 12:34 pm
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George, thanks for the back story.
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