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Michael Beasley
From:
Holts Summit MO
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Posted 20 Nov 2013 3:12 pm |
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| Anyone ever heard of a MSA hybrid? I have had many comments on mine. Bobby Cox made it for Junior Knight a few years back. Everyone that has looked at the guitar says it's like a ZUM hybrid with screws below the changer. |
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Paul Wade
From:
mundelein,ill
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Posted 21 Nov 2013 5:21 am msa
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pictures please  |
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Junior Knight
From:
Eustace Texas..paddle faster..I hear Banjos...
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Posted 21 Nov 2013 12:53 pm
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please let me know what it was because I have no idea what ur talkin about....oh ..u mean Johnny Cox who built my MSA Studio Pro...U willhave to ask Johnny bout that...
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Michael Beasley
From:
Holts Summit MO
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Posted 21 Nov 2013 1:11 pm MSA Hybrid
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Paul sorry it took so long to post pictures. I didn't know how to do them. Junior, this is the studio pro that you said if I ever wanted to sell you wanted it back. The adjusting allen screws below the nylon tuning nuts is what I am referring to.
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Henry Matthews
From:
Texarkana, Ark USA
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Posted 21 Nov 2013 2:30 pm
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Aren't those just return compensators for the lowers?
I had a Zum I believe that had those.
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Ian Sutton
From:
San Francisco, CA
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Posted 21 Nov 2013 3:01 pm
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Slightly off-topic, but related enough, I think I had just re-read the interview with Reece in one of the Steel Guitar mags, and he mentions that the adjustable lower return springs were removed to protect the would-be steel guitar mechanic from fouling up his guitar, and that often times people would just torque the hell out of those screws in an futile attempt to resolve a different problem. I'm paraphrasing of course.
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Paddy Long
From:
Christchurch, New Zealand
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Posted 21 Nov 2013 5:02 pm
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Nothing even remotely like a Zum Hybrid changer sorry.
And since Bruce holds the patent for it, I hardly think he is likely to let anyone else it 
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Michael Beasley
From:
Holts Summit MO
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Posted 21 Nov 2013 6:19 pm Msa
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| Junior I was wrong on the builder. It was Johnny Cox. Kyle at MSA said the Allen wrench adjustments were for if the string came back a little sharp you can use these for small adjustments. I stand to be corrected on this. I will say it is a great instrument to have and play. |
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 22 Nov 2013 12:39 am Re: MSA Hybrid
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Notwithstanding that I play an S-12, this looks like the same changer that's on my Millenniums.
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Bo Borland
From:
South Jersey -
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Posted 30 Nov 2013 7:33 am
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They look like split tuners to me not any kind of "hybrid" changer.
Also, both Bud Carter and John Fabian told me the spring tension screws were purposely eliminated to keep well meaning but mis-guided steel owners from messing with them. |
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John De Maille
From:
On a Mountain in Upstate Halcottsville, N.Y.
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Posted 30 Nov 2013 10:52 am
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| Why is the E9th changer cut wider on the bottom left side? It even looks like that there is an extra slot for pull rods and an extra hole for a spring attachment on the bracket below. It's a very clean, precise looking set up, though. |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 30 Nov 2013 12:01 pm
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knowing nothing about msa's, i can logically guess the screws are, as someone said, the same as on my old zum. they help to balance the changer to get returns right on the money. the zum works great because of them.
the cutaway corner has been employed by carter for years as part of a half-stop adjusting system. |
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Johnny Cox
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Williamsom WVA, raised in Nashville TN, Lives in Hallettsville Texas
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Posted 30 Nov 2013 6:02 pm
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Not a hybrid, those are return to pitch adjusters. They are different than any other guitar in there are no rods involved. They work very well.
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Jim Palenscar
From:
Oceanside, Calif, USA
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Posted 30 Nov 2013 6:08 pm
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| The wider E9th side is for the 1/2 stops. The lower allen screws, as Johnny said, are for the return compensators . |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 30 Nov 2013 6:35 pm
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| unlike any but the zum where the idea came from i betcha..early 80's |
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Michael Beasley
From:
Holts Summit MO
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Posted 30 Nov 2013 6:55 pm MSA Hybrid
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| Johnny, Thanks for clearing this up. The first of the studio pros was built for J D Maness to take the place of his Emmons. Gentleman correct me if Im wrong on this. This guitar was built for Junior Knight. I can tell you for sure itt plays and sounds great . Skip Pilgrim and CharlesTilley helped me decide on the pickups to use Thanks again Michael Beasley |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 30 Nov 2013 7:16 pm
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it seems to me that the new msa's are as good as it can get mechanically. they're beautiful machines.
jd sold his right away. don't know why. i think people just need to live with them a little longer to realize how good they are. |
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Michael Beasley
From:
Holts Summit MO
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Posted 30 Nov 2013 7:33 pm MSA Hybrid
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| Amen to that |
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 30 Nov 2013 11:39 pm
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| chris ivey wrote: |
it seems to me that the new msa's are as good as it can get mechanically. they're beautiful machines.
jd sold his right away. don't know why. i think people just need to live with them a little longer to realize how good they are. |
I agree. I plan to keep and play my 2 Millies for the rest of my life.
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John McClung
From:
Olympia WA, USA
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Posted 1 Dec 2013 2:03 pm
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JayDee will ALWAYS prefer the sound of his Emmons push-pulls for stage and studio. But, he is now playing a Frank Carter-built Infinity SD-10 for flying gigs, and he sounds awesome on it as well.
I really don't know the story behind his letting go of the MSA.
Sometimes guitars just don't suit a person for any number of reasons. I have a Carter SD-10 that sounds wonderful, nothing wrong with it at all, but the fit and feel just don't suit me and I almost never play it. My Mullen fits me like a glove.
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 3 Dec 2013 2:03 pm
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I don't care for slotted pullers, and I don't feel they're really necessary on the MSA's, since the pullers are easily removable. One of the best options they offer are titanium pull rods, and I was disappointed when they were deleted as a standard item. Still a heck of a guitar, though.  |
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 3 Dec 2013 6:05 pm
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Donny, Reece told me that the titanium rods were discontinued because they tended to bind up. He felt the stainless steel rods worked better.
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Dickie Whitley
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Posted 3 Dec 2013 6:25 pm
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| ...the way the bottom part looks, it's almost like it's made just for that purpose. So was the bottom lowers always setup for pitch return adjustments or could you order without them? Just curious. |
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 4 Dec 2013 8:49 am
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| Donny, Reece told me that the titanium rods were discontinued because they tended to bind up. He felt the stainless steel rods worked better. |
Bind up...where? I do know they are more expensive, and harder to thread and bend, but their temperature stability and light weight should not to be overlooked. Any rods will bind if they're rubbing against something, but that can be eliminated with proper setup!  |
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