String 6 Lower (G#--G)

Tom Gorr · From: Three Hills, Alberta

I really like the idea of this change...I think. Or would it be better to raise 7 from F# to G, and just find different and unusual grips?

Obviously it gives a minor chord voicing in the 'home' position, Does it make sense to put other raises or lowers on this same change?

Probably useful for a ragtime/blues/rock-ish chromatic minor3-Major3 slur too?

Can anyone tell me how you guys with this change are using it, and where IT SHOULD BE on the copedant relative to other important changes that are used in conjunction with it???

Michael Hummel · From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Oh boy. You are going to get 500 responses, all different...my old Sho~Bud (8P 4K) raises the F# to G on the LKR lever. Useful for a 7th tone when you have A+B down. For a while I tuned that so that it went all the way to G#, but I didn't end up using it much, so I tuned it back to F#-->G (easy change, just tightened up the nylon hex tuner).

LOTS of guys on here have the G#-F# whole step lower so I'm sure you're going to hear about that.

I'm still pretty much a beginner (18 months) so I have more than enough under my feet and knees to occupy me for a while!

Cheers,
Mike
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Richard Sinkler · From: aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana

Michael is right. I prefer the 6th string lower to F#. And, I do raise both my F#'s to G on a lever. To get the no pedals position minor (lowering G# to G), you can get it by raising the 7th string to G, and still get the benefits of the 7th tone for the A&B position. You would lose the sound of the G# lowering to G though. On my first ZB S10, it had 5 pedals (stock) and one of them lowered the G#'s to G, and I don't believe I ever used it, or used it very little. But, you may like it and use it a lot based on your playing style.

Edited to correct a mistake.
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Rick Stratton · From: Tujunga, California, USA

Hi Tom,
I'm another PSG newbie (almost 2 years)
I prefer lowering 6 to G. I also raise string 1 to G on the same lever. (you have to skip 2 & 3)

I like the moving minor chords you can get all the way up the neck.
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chris ivey · From: california (deceased)

i've always had g#s to g on a pedal next to my b-c# pedal. together you get a big full spread of a 7th chord.

John Peay · From: Cumming, Georgia USA

Pete Burak · From: Portland, OR USA

Since I have a dedicated F# string (string-7 in this case) I prefer having string-6 lower G# to G.
fwiw, On a Uni you can get the G# to F# sound on string-6 by sliding back 2 frets with Pedal-A, Pedal-C, or Pedal-7, and whatever combo of strings including 4-7 typically.
For example, pick strings 5 and 6 at fret-3 with A+B enguaged and try: 3AB > 3 > 1A > 3, as a basic example.

Here are some Chord-scale uses for G#>G.

For example, songs like "Like a Rolling Stone", or "Lean On Me", are right out of these positions.
Tons of songs can be lifted out of these positions.
The scale degrees are also inline with guitar or piano, etc.

Major Scale (Ascending) - Key of G using G#>G lower:

Tom Gorr · From: Three Hills, Alberta

Wow, it always helps to ask...Lots of good ideas presented.

For those that haven't mentioned where the change is located on their guitar, please do tell...the placement is probably as important as the change itself. Like Mr. Ivey, I'm thinking it may work good as a Pedal 0 next to the "A Pedal".

Pete Burak · From: Portland, OR USA

I have it on Pedal-0 to the left of the A-Pedal on some Steels.
I have it on RKL2 (near front apron) on my Sierra.

The other thing about it is you can set it up so you can dial it in to lower G# to F#, and try that also.
I have even used it to lower G# to E (PF had a song out that did this).

Richard Sinkler · From: aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana

John Peay · From: Cumming, Georgia USA

Richard...if anybody deserves a pass, you do. Hope you get better...

Dickie Whitley · Posted 18 Nov 2013 6:34 pm

...what about if you do it sorta around your elbow to get to your thumb style, using a lever to lower both 3 & 6 to F# and then doing a split with the B pedal to get both to G?

OK, maybe not so hot an idea?

Richard Sinkler · From: aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana

Some guitars won't drop 3 a whole tone, and I have heard some that do, they have a lot more string breakage on the 3rd string, and it's harder to keep it in tune.

Rick Stratton · From: Tujunga, California, USA

I'm open for suggestions Richard.
What lever do raise your string 7 with?
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Richard Sinkler · From: aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana

I raise both my F#'s to G on LKV.
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Billy Carr · From: Seminary, Mississippi, USA (deceased)

Listen to a lot of Conway's old songs with Hughey. Lowering G# to G and adding pedal that raises 5 & 10 to C#. Very strong and easy position to move in and out of.

Tom Gorr · From: Three Hills, Alberta

Thanks Gents!

I do have one open pedal slot to the left of my A pedal. Lets call that open position P0.

My P3 position is centered between my left knee levers.

P0 feels pretty far to the left. But doable. I like where the A pedal lines up, though.

Is P0 going to be too far to the left and difficult to access? Should I slide everything over one position?

Pete Burak · From: Portland, OR USA

I would put it on P0 where it currently exists.
I would not move the other pedals over.

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