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Topic: sacrificing P4 on C6 for the Franklin pedal on E9 |
Ryan Dyck
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Alberta, Canada
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Posted 4 Nov 2013 8:23 am |
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Morning,
I'm a total newcomer to C6 and am just purchasing my first D10. I'm told that the P4 whole step raise on strings 4 and 8 on the C6 neck is not that useful so i'm thinking of sacrificing it for the Franklin pedal on the E9 neck. Al Brisco is setting it up for me. Any insight?
Also, can anyone recommend some basic C6 instructional stuff?
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 4 Nov 2013 8:39 am
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Before you ditch it, give a listen to Tom Morell and the Time Warp Tophands "How the West was Swung." Tom stopped playing pedal soon after, but on that record he used the 8th string A to B so cool that I've regretted losing P4 ever since buying that disc. I moved A B and C over and raise 1 and 2 with P1.
Both Jeffran ans Emmons have basic C6 stuff that's good
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 4 Nov 2013 8:40 am Re: sacrificing P4 on C6 for the Franklin pedal on E9
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| Ryan Dyck wrote: |
Morning,
I'm a total newcomer to C6 and am just purchasing my first D10. I'm told that the P4 whole step raise on strings 4 and 8 on the C6 neck is not that useful... |
I would suspect those who made that statement are not speaking of everyone - just themselves. There is no reason you can't have both on the same pedal, if you're willing to put up with a little extra pedal pressure.  I think the P4 C6th change is more useful than the 1 & 2 raise on E9th, even if you don't use it as much. |
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 4 Nov 2013 9:36 am
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My P4 works on both necks - maybe a touch stiff but perfectly manageable. (On E9 I have it as the Isaacs pedal - quite useful!)
I was on the point of 'losing' the B to A pulls on C6th when I spent an instructive afternoon with Denny Mathis in San Antonio. He employed it beautifully in some fluid runs two frets below zero and I quietly decided I'd keep it! I can't say that I've exploited it as effectively as Denny but I've heard its potential!
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 4 Nov 2013 10:27 am
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another vote for 'use the pedal on both necks'.
for that matter, any pedal that the crossrod spans both necks can be used for changes on both necks.
obviously you don't want to overload any pedal, but the newer changers all seem to work nice and lightly and will allow plenty of experimentation.
push pulls also handle p4 on both necks as mine do. |
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Ryan Dyck
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Alberta, Canada
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Posted 4 Nov 2013 11:07 am .
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| thanks for the insight gentleman! |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 4 Nov 2013 11:32 am
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I ditched pedal 4 on the c6th because I never used it. But, I did make the A to Bb lever on my C6th raise to B with a half stop at Bb. But again, I never use the full tone raise and have actually set the knee lever to only go to Bb. But if I ever need the full tone raise, I just have to tune the nylon tuner and it will be there.
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Lee Dassow
From:
Jefferson, Georgia USA
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Posted 4 Nov 2013 12:05 pm
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On my MSA D-10 I love that fourth pedal change on C6th. With parts I bought from Michael Yawl
I Drop my fifth string B to Bb on pedal 4, E9th neck. Anybody have that change on these old MSA'S besides me? I,m probably just better off getting the v knee lever and putting the B's 5 and 10 on it. Tennessee Lee
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 4 Nov 2013 1:04 pm
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| same here richard. the A-Bb knee lever is my most used c6 ammo. i also raise through the half-stop to B, which i use but i'd have to be playing to remember how i use it. |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 4 Nov 2013 1:19 pm
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I don't have the P4 C6th changes and I definitely miss them. I doubt that the audience notices, though, even when I'm playing for other steel players. The "need" is in our minds - rarely does the music itself actually require the P4 changes.
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Paddy Long
From:
Christchurch, New Zealand
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Posted 4 Nov 2013 2:49 pm
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Ryan I don't have any C6th changes on my pedal 4 and leave it as solely the Franklin pedal. What I have done with my C6th setup is move the whole lot one step to the right ...so I still have 5 C6th pedals ... 9 in total and 9 knees ...works for me
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 4 Nov 2013 5:51 pm
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I actually have 9 pedals and the first 5 are strictly E9 pedals.
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 7 Nov 2013 3:03 pm
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| Richard Sinkler wrote: |
| I actually have 9 pedals and the first 5 are strictly E9 pedals. |
I only have 8, so 4 & 5 both do double duty, working on both necks!  |
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