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Topic: LKV -- B to Bb |
Tom Wolverton
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Carpinteria, CA
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Posted 18 Oct 2013 12:00 pm |
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On my E9th neck, I 've got a LKV set up to drop my B's to Bb
I've found two basic uses for it:
1. Make the IV chord (with A&B down) into a minor chord
2. Diminshing the vii chord (A and LKV together)
Is this about all there is? Or am I overlooking some other stuff?
I know you can do the Tom B. "Together Again" lick and not move the bar down one fret , but I prefer the original way : ie bar down one fret and press the B pedal.
There must be more, right?
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Ian Sutton
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San Francisco, CA
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Posted 18 Oct 2013 12:13 pm
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I believe you can get a ii7 out of the I position as well.
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Lane Gray
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Posted 18 Oct 2013 12:13 pm
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It makes (at the nut) an F#9 out of your E chord.
Transition from V to I with a counterpoint move by 5 with LKV and 8 natural to 5 natural and 8 lowered.
Also, the common minor-chord walkdown of (at the 1st fret, Dm, let's pretend you're playing "The Thrill is Gone in Am, you do this on the iv) A pedal- A pedal/LKV - open - LKV (and then the next beat, drop your Es because you're back to Am)
Use that same walk down paired with the 4th string where the 4th string is the 7th tone, and you walk 5 down a half step at a time from 5 to 3.
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 18 Oct 2013 12:17 pm
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Tom, I'll try to put together a video of what I just said, but I bet you have the idea.
I apologize for the video quality (2008 cellphone), but I hit it at 1:38 as an A9th at the 15th fret before the IV chord here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcJUTnw9PqA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Tom Wolverton
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Carpinteria, CA
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Posted 18 Oct 2013 2:03 pm
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Thanks for that Lane. I'll give that a try. I'm gonna convert your paragraph into a tab. : )
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Lane Gray
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Posted 18 Oct 2013 2:08 pm
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Thanks. If I knew of a tab tool for android, I'd'a done it. it is kind of hard putting licks to text
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Bob Carlucci
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Candor, New York, USA
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Posted 18 Oct 2013 2:43 pm
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Its a standard change and so many guys love it.. Personally, it just never did that much for me.. I just half pedal the A pedal and get the same sound.. I must be missing something considering the value some fine players see in this change... bob
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Pete Burak
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Portland, OR USA
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Posted 18 Oct 2013 2:59 pm
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It's nice to have the B>Bb on an S12U because it is both an E9th and B6th (derived from C6th change often on RKL) change.
On E9th, I like the 7th chord you get with the B>Bb two frets back from open, but the way I use is it to go from the Open chord to the 7th chord up ten frets from open with the B>Bb lever (builds tension), then resolve to the IV chord or whatever is the next chord.
On B6th, it is a slam dunk for any swingy style Alseep At The Wheel type of stuff (with E's lowered), for example, use it in an on/off fashion during the IV chord on Choo-Choo-Cha-Boogie, three frets up from open while you are holding P5 down. |
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Greg Cutshaw
From:
Corry, PA, USA
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 18 Oct 2013 9:24 pm
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Tom, here's two of those examples
Of course the first can go on 5&8, but they ring different, of course.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 18 Oct 2013 9:54 pm
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PS: B0b, the uploader hiccupped, feel free to delete the duplicate images, and this post. If the behavior continues, I may go back to the bucket.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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Tom Wolverton
From:
Carpinteria, CA
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Posted 19 Oct 2013 12:01 am
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Thanks to all. Lane, is the "X" in your tab the LKV?
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Lane Gray
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Posted 19 Oct 2013 12:05 am
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Correct. That's what Newman called it, and it works for me. D#, of course, is the lever that drops the Es.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Tom Wolverton
From:
Carpinteria, CA
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Posted 21 Oct 2013 9:56 pm
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Lane. Thanks for that. That's quite helpful.
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