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Topic: Cost of changing the set up to Emmons |
Darryl Hattenhauer
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Phoenix, Arizona, USA
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Posted 24 Jul 2013 5:05 pm |
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On a Pro II Custom 8 and 4 that has its own idiosynchratic set up, about what would it cost to have it put into an Emmons set up?
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chris ivey
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california (deceased)
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Posted 24 Jul 2013 5:09 pm
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 24 Jul 2013 9:06 pm
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I would decide in advance what you want each lever to do. If the changes are on the guitar, but wrong knees, I would make a note of where all the rods are. If there are changes that are not on your guitar, I would ask Ricky Davis or James Moorhead how they would rod those changes. Finally, I would recommend removing all of the rods and redoing the neck from scratch. It will actually be quicker. if you have never done this before it will probably take twice as long as Mr Ivey suggested, but with a couple of Allen wrenches you should be able to do it yourself.
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Billy Carr
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Seminary, Mississippi, USA (deceased)
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Posted 24 Jul 2013 11:27 pm psg
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| Switching from the Emmons set up to a Day set up is usually easy. Reverse the pedal and KL pulls that are on the guitar. I'd be careful with the little metal clips on the Bud that secures the pull rod to the bellcrank. |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 25 Jul 2013 3:39 am Re: Cost of changing the set up to Emmons
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| Darryl Hattenhauer wrote: |
| On a Pro II Custom 8 and 4 that has its own idiosynchratic set up, about what would it cost to have it put into an Emmons set up? |
Billy, sounds like he is going the other way. But, it's still the same thing. As long as you have the required amount of rods that you need for each pedal, you should be OK. Billy is talking about a Bud with the Super-Pro undercarriage (the pot metal parts). If that's the case, switching should be easy. Just make a note of where the rods are placed in the bellcrank and changer finger. You will want to duplicate that on the new pedal location if at all possible. You may have to adjust the pedal or lever travel. If you have the older 2-hole puller or rack and barrel, should be similar. The Bud's I have seen and worked on have a separate mechanism under the guitar for the 2nd string half stop. If you relocate that lever, you MAY also have to relocate the half stop assembly, which I believe would require new screw holes for the brackets.
You mentioned that there is an "idiosynchratic" tuning on there now. That really doesn't tell us anything. If it has some really strange uncommon setup, you may not have the correct rods, bellcranks, etc to do the job. Also, you didn't say whether it is the E9 or C6 neck. E9 Day setup to Emmons should be easy. Most levers and pedals have 2 pulls on each and you just have to relocate the rods. C6th is a little different story. Some pedals and levers may have 1, 2, or 3 changes and moving them around would mean you need the correct number of the correct length rods to make the switch.
Either way, if you are a little mechanically minded, and understand the workings of the undercarriage, you should be OK doing it yourself. You may need to make adjustments that you really don't understand. That is when you will want to send it out to someone.
Rule #1 one is to write down the locations of the current rods in the bellcranks and changer finger. Pictures may be a good idea too. Nothing more frustrating than not remembering which holes they go into. The person who assembled the guitar had a reason for placing them where they currently are. May because of pedal travel or ease of pedal action. Some could be where they are because the preferred locations where already used by another pedal.
These suggestions are based on my experience changing over a rack & barrel Professional and a Super-Pro as well as working on my Carter and I have also worked on a Fessenden.
And lastly, if you post the tunings that are currently on the guitar, a repair person could give you a better idea of the cost as it may have to include parts as well as the labor. Pictures don't hurt either.
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Tony Glassman
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The Great Northwest
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Posted 25 Jul 2013 6:40 am
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| Post some undercarriage photos, and the forumites will be better able to offer more specific info. |
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Jason Lynch
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Essex, United Kingdom
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Posted 25 Jul 2013 7:01 am
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theres info on making a "Rodding Chart" here, and some blank one's at the bottom for you to print off and use.
Just in case it all goes "Tits up!"
http://steelguitar.com/rodding.html |
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chris ivey
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california (deceased)
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Posted 25 Jul 2013 7:40 am Re: Cost of changing the set up to Emmons
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[quote="Richard Sinkler"]
| Darryl Hattenhauer wrote: |
You may need to make adjustments that you really don't understand. That is when you will want to send it out to someone.
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send it out to someone ... $100-$500
ask someone some questions ... free
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Darryl Hattenhauer
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Phoenix, Arizona, USA
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Posted 25 Jul 2013 1:02 pm
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Thank you one and all. Especially Richard for rule #1.
Are there any DVDs of this kind of thing being done? I looked in youtube but didn't find anything.
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chris ivey
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california (deceased)
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Posted 25 Jul 2013 3:49 pm
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| Tony Glassman wrote: |
| the forumites will be better able to offer more specific info. |
we are the forumites , my friend
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 25 Jul 2013 4:54 pm
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A youtube search on "rodding a pedal steel" only turned up Dave Hartley playing 57 Chevrolet.
I'll try to get my sweetie to video me rodding part of my MSA. I also plan to put up one showing how to install a Bradshaw gizmo
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