Missing finger pick tone! Getting used to picks.

Jeff Metz Jr. · From: York, Pennsylvania, USA

I have been playing the steel for some time now. I know the reason I am getting dull warm tone from my steel is because I don't use finger picks. I am very fond of the touch-feeling of playing with bare fingers. I am not happy with the pickless tone. I guess what I am asking is how I can get a picked tone without picks, or what are the best picks to use for my dilemma. I figure Im going to have to make friends with them sometime. I also wonder how much pick shaping has to do with comfortability? THanks a bunch guys and gals.
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Lane Gray · From: Topeka, KS

You CAN get good crisp tone bare, but it's brutal on the fingertips.
I'd recommend making friends with the picks.
Or, if you run Peavey gear, crank the presence up. (Presence is the name for the ultra-highs: treble/high usually centered at 2K, presence at 4)
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Donny Hinson · From: Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.

What Lane says. Yes, it's possible to play without finger picks, but 99% of the pros use them.

I figure that proves there must be a good reason. Winking

CrowBear Schmitt · From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France

Better to know how to play w: picks than without
rather than knowing how to play without than with

use both ! Winking

Daniel Policarpo · Posted 29 Jun 2013 4:28 am

Maybe you could try using some picks that are not so stiff, like the Dunlop .15 size? I use the .15 on one finger and the .18 on the other and they work really well for the kind of attack I like. It won't take long to get used to once you get them fitted to your finger proper.

Charlie Paterno · From: Westerly, Rhode Island, USA

You could try Alaska Piks. They come in plastic or brass. Never tried them myself but the brass might give you that crisp pick sound with a more comfortable feel.Sold at Elderly Instruments

Mike Heugel · From: Taylor, Michigan, USA

Hey Jeff, I know what you mean about the feel of playing with the fingers. While I prefer that myself, I'm also forcing myself to use picks because I want that bell-like tone.

One alternative that will give you more presence to fingerstyle-playing (although not necessarily exactly the same) is to implement the fingernails. Whether you go the all-natural option or the fake option is up to you - It's more preference than anything else - but the important thing is shaping them correctly.

Scott Tennant has a good video about nail shape that you can find here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFpLo2HtE5A - more geared towards classical guitar, but works just as well on steel.

Good luck.
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David Donn · From: New South Wales, Australia

Have you tried Propik Finger-Tone picks? See http://www.guptillmusic.com/ProPik-Finger-Tone-Finger-Picks.html

I like playing with bare fingers too and these seem like a good compromise. I've got some. I really wanted to like them but I find the metal too thin and it cuts into my fingers so I've not found them wearable. It might be possible to modify them to work around this issue - I haven't tried.

Jeff Metz Jr. · From: York, Pennsylvania, USA

Hey guys ,
Thanks for all of the info. It seems however, that I am going to get along with the picks. In the long run its actually a small price to pay given all the pedal steel has to throw at you.

David, are those the picks with the circle cut in them? Almost like the metal outlines your finger print? If so , I've looked at them and never pulled the trigger due to skeptecism. They seem like I would still be playing either with or without my fingertip.
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Howard Smith · From: Callison, South Carolina, USA

I've been playing now for a year and two months, and today finally got my National picks adjusted better than I've ever had them fit. Get some needle nose pliers, and go at. Keep messing with them till you get them to fit like an extension of your finger.
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Lane Gray · From: Topeka, KS

Alaska picks are the ones that fit under the nail (don't worry, they're comfy, I've tried 'em).
The only drawback: they don't deal well with FIRM attacks. Start digging and they'll flop out.
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David Donn · From: New South Wales, Australia

Thomas Heath · From: Saint Louis, Missouri

I agree. I had a lot of trouble with picks at first, but it becomes more natural quicker than you would think. Just keep pickin!

Jerry Hayes · From: Virginia Beach, Va.

I use the finger picks on lead guitar as well as steel and am very happy with the sound and clarity I get, plus I believe it increases my speed and eliminates having to use a flatpick for some single string things...........JH in Va.
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Henry Matthews · From: Texarkana, Ark USA

My picks are the most crucial part of my playing. I'd rather change guitars than change picks. The bare finger picking for modern steel guitar just won't cut it in my book. I remember one night we had a gig about 120 miles from home and I forgot my pick pouch. Had extra bar but no picks. It was a miserable night to say the least but I made it. Had to change my whole technique and came home with a few blisters. Sad

Donnie,I think you can make that 99.9%
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Geoff Barnes · From: Sydney, Australia

I'm no expert by any stretch of the imagination... and really struggled with fingerpicks for a while... I have a pretty good collection now after experimenting with many different types.
The Acri picks are easily the most comfortable for my fingers. YMMV and I'm positive that there are folks here with much more experience in this matter... but I really like these.
http://www.jdmc.com/product/2016B-M.html

Edited to add this thread;
http://www.reso-nation.org/forums/whatever/miscellaneous/2010/11/15/acri-finger-picks
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Stephen Williams · From: from Wales now in Berkeley,Ca, USA

Fred Kelly has some more comfortable finger picks.

There was once a plastic pick made that was basically a "finger + nail " with a hole where you put yer real finger in. It was the greatest design for comfort but dull sounding & I can't find out who made them. I'm going to try and making my own where the pick part is right above your real nail.

Tony Glassman · From: The Great Northwest

Daniel Policarpo wrote:

Maybe you could try using some picks that are not so stiff, like the Dunlop .15 size? I use the .15 on one finger and the .18 on the other and they work really well for the kind of attack I like. It won't take long to get used to once you get them fitted to your finger proper.

Daniel is right, this may be a good way to get used to fingerpicks. Personally I think the heavier gauge picks sound much better, but it might help to start with "light" picks which more closely approximate a "bare finger" feel. As you get used to them, you could gradually "work up" to the heavier gauges should you feel the need.

I use National, (probably the most uncomfortable picks ever) becuse they sound the best to my ears. The Dunlop .025's are close but not quite as "silvery".

Jeff Metz Jr. · From: York, Pennsylvania, USA

I spent a couple days using fingerpicks on my dobro and took that to pedal steel and I am up to 90% speed . It really only took 2 hours on the dobro to get comfortable. Then the rest was transfering it to the smaller string spacing. Im sure glad I kept at it. Its amazing to think that I was about to just throw the picks away. It's SO MUCH better sounding now. And both the dobro and steel are twice as loud! haha Thanks everyone!
BTW If your having trouble using fingerpicks and have a resonator or a nut extender I suggest going that route. It really made a difference to me.
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Fred Bova · From: Connecticut, USA

I sold my steel and stopped playing for many, many years because I couldn't get used to the picks.
I finally bought another steel and started again and have tried many times to use picks.
They just don't work for me.

I have decided to stay playing "bareback".

If that doesn't make me a "real steel player" then fine.
Whatever I am, I'm enjoying playing again.

Here is "Sleepwalk" on my Fender 400.
No Pedals are used.
Just playing in my "G Hexatonic" tuning.

Also, no finger picks are used.
Just my bare fingertips.

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Lane Gray · From: Topeka, KS

I was noodling around sans fingerpicks yesterday and my sweetie thought this sounded good.
I prefer picks, but think you CAN get decent tone without em.
I don't think I embarrassed myself badly, so here, have a look at bare fingers (but a blue Herco thumb)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGlVs0CRCD4
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David Graves · From: Indiana, USA

Jeff, it always will come down to what works best for you and only you. I'm a banjo player first ( alright.. Keep the snickers down to a low roar please ) but I wear my picks a little different than most guys and it may be something worth you trying. I use a very thin brass Dunlop in .013 gauge. But... I wear them deep on both fingers. I roll the picking tip right along the end of my finger so it's almost like a cover plate for my finger tip. Most guys have the tip out a little bit with distance between the pick and the finger tip, but when I try this I get "caught and sloppy." There's no special reason I wear them like this.. It's just how I started when I was 5 and my fingers were so small I had to do this. And that's how I learned and still play this way. I'm not saying its right.. But it's closer to playing "bareback" as far as feel. There is no "extension" to learn to live with. Good luck with what ever you end up doing.
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