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Topic: Push/Pull tuning question |
Jon Light
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 27 May 2013 7:55 am |
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I'm trying to tune the A pedal 5th string a few cents flat of C# but tune the C pedal 5th string C# straight up.
There are no tuners underneath on the 5th string pull rod.
The only way I can figure to tune A pedal different from C pedal is at the A pedal stop. This means that with the A pedal, the changer will not be hitting its stop.
Am I missing a different way to achieve this or is this an exception to the rule of always wanting to push or pull the fingers to their stops? |
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Dave Grafe
From:
Hudson River Valley NY
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Posted 27 May 2013 8:38 am
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| Careful positioning of the collars on the different rods might allow what you are looking for, maybe Lynn Stafford will chime in here with real knowledge.... |
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Jerry Erickson
From:
Atlanta,IL 61723
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Posted 27 May 2013 8:46 am
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| It would probably be best to put a half tone tuner on there. The device that's on your 4th string E-F knee lever. That way, you'd be able to retune each pedal change as the string ages. |
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Jon Light
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 27 May 2013 8:54 am
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That would be nice but it's not an option right now. I'm just fine tuning this steel for its new owner who is picking it up tonight. It will pretty much stay how I tweak it until she brings/sends it to someone eventually for some setup changes down the road so I'm trying to make it as nice as I can right now.
I think I'm satisfied with the 5th string with the pedal stop adjustment. It's working and it's consistent. I went nuts last night trying to work the collars---it might have been doable with better skills than mine. |
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Pete Burak
From:
Portland, OR USA
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Posted 27 May 2013 9:11 am
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| Why not tune both C#'s the same? |
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Jon Light
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 27 May 2013 9:28 am
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| I like to get an F# unison between 1 & 4 on the C pedal and I like to keep 4 & 5 parallel and close to beatless on the C pedal but I like to run the A pedal a few cents flat. It's always been a bit of a pain. |
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Paul Sutherland
From:
Placerville, California
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Posted 27 May 2013 9:44 am
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| You're making life difficult for yourself. That's an unusual way to tune the F#s, and not something the new owner is likely to want. I certainly would not want to receive a steel that was tuned that way. Do yourself, and the new owner, a favor and tune both F#s the same on the 4th string. Forget that unison with the first string. |
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Pete Burak
From:
Portland, OR USA
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Posted 27 May 2013 9:51 am
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It's would be hard for me to accept that the A-pedal raise-finger won't be slamming into the body-conact point on a Push-Pull.
I would reccomend tuning the string-5 C#'s to the same exact note with AB down or BC down.
Then tune your E>F# to be in tune with BC enguaged.
fwiw, I personnaly don't like the unision F#'s to be perfectly beatless... that would mess up my Jerry G lick for the NRPS "Portland Woman" intro. |
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Jerry Overstreet
From:
Louisville Ky
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Posted 27 May 2013 9:54 am
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| Sounds like you have a workable solution now, but I would think using the compression spring, and/or maybe a short spacer along with the collar adjustment would do what you want with some trial and error on placement etc.' |
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Jon Light
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 27 May 2013 10:23 am
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| Thanks, everyone, for the input. I'm satisfied with where I've got it. Some other stuff is busting my ass on the 6th-side pedals of this U-12 but I'm slogging along. |
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Pete Burak
From:
Portland, OR USA
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Posted 28 May 2013 8:29 am
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Does the P7 B>C# raise have a rod-tuner on it, or just a lock-collar like the others?
What are the other 6th pedals issues you are struggling with? |
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Jon Light
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 28 May 2013 11:16 am
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| Thanks for staying with this, Pete. This bird has flown. I no longer have the guitar here. It does need work and the new owner will definitely be getting a pro to work on it. She does have herself a really nice mid 70's SD12 though. Selling it was the right move but surely not without remorse. |
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