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Topic: Early Emmons guitars |
Billy Carr
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Seminary, Mississippi, USA (deceased)
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Posted 11 Apr 2013 11:19 pm |
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| I spend a lot of time reading and studying guitars, builders and anything related to our little world here. One thing I've never read about or seen discussed is the very earlier Emmons p/p's changers. The part I'm curious about is what was used to lube a changer in the 64-65 models? I played one for 10 years and never thought about lubing a changer. Of course, at 14 years old back then in 71', steel mechanics never occurred to me. It was just try to play it and carry it w/o dropping it. Of course, now still trying to play steel at 55, the first thing I think about when I sit behind any guitar is, wonder how it's put together? But gettin' back to the 60-ish p/p thing, I'm still curious about what was used to service the changers? The thought process and ideas to build such a guitar in the 60's, has to have come from a genius that was years ahead of there time. And today in 2013, people are still comparing guitars to the p/p's. Truly a piece of art/history. Ok, I'm through now. But one more thing. The Emmons black album is unreal and classic Big E. Things he played back then were unreal for the time. Truly a legend, Buddy Emmons. ( His opening verse of Danny Boy still puts chill bumps on me.) Only one other player has done that, so far. That was John Hughey. |
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Eric Philippsen
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Central Florida USA
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Posted 12 Apr 2013 6:57 am
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| Chris Lucker knows a ton about the earliest push-pulls. Lynn Stafford and Herb Steiner do, too. They're frequent contributors. |
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Jerry Roller
From:
Van Buren, Arkansas USA
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Posted 12 Apr 2013 8:29 am
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I would add Mike Cass to that list also.
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 12 Apr 2013 9:12 am Re: Early Emmons guitars
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| Billy Carr wrote: |
| The thought process and ideas to build such a guitar in the 60's has to have come from a genius that was years ahead of there time. And today in 2013, people are still comparing guitars to the p/p's. The Emmons black album is unreal and classic Big E. Things he played back then were unreal for the time. Truly a legend, Buddy Emmons. |
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Lynn Stafford
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Ridgefield, WA USA
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Posted 12 Apr 2013 9:37 am Changer Lubrication
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| Jerry Roller wrote: |
I would add Mike Cass to that list also.
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From what I understand, Miks Cass had the wonderful opportunity to actually be personally trained by Ron Lashley Sr., so I bet he would probably know exactly what type of lubricant was used in the very early days, when the changers were assembled. I do remember asking someone at Emmons Guitar about the very same thing many years ago and was told they used white lithium grease, at least at that time anyway.
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Best regards,
Lynn Stafford
STEEL GUITAR WEST
http://www.steelguitarwest.com
Steel Guitar Technician (Restoration, Set-up, Service and Repair work)
Previous Emmons Authorized Dealer & Service Technician (original factory is now closed)
ZumSteel Authorized Service Technician
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Bobby Boggs
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Upstate SC.
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Posted 12 Apr 2013 12:22 pm
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Mike is your best hope.Well no, Buddy is. But was white lithium grease even available in late 1963-64? I was thinking Emmons used it a few years later.
I'm going to take a wild guess and say they used what we think off today as a general purpose grease for farm equipment and such. Again, only a guess as I was just a toddler in 64.
What type grease or oil is Emmons-Lashley using to lube changers today ? Lynn or Mike?
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Billy Knowles
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Kenansville, N. C. 28349 usa
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Posted 14 Apr 2013 6:17 am Emmons
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Mike Cass
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Posted 15 Apr 2013 9:33 am
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| white lithium back then....these days Ron Jr. uses a high grade machine oil, lubricating the changer as its assembled. |
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Jerry Jones
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Franklin, Tenn.
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Posted 15 Apr 2013 12:23 pm
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Years back, I used some white lithium grease on my ShoBud pedal rack. After a few years, the grease became hard and restricted the pedal movement. Won't be doing that again! 
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Nick Reed
From:
Russellville, KY USA
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Posted 15 Apr 2013 1:33 pm
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'66 Bolt-On P/P . . . . THE TONE MONSTER!
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Mike Cass
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Posted 15 Apr 2013 1:56 pm
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yeah Jerry, thats why nowadys Ronny does it as I described.
Personally, I like to lube ithe changers as I go, then, when they're assembled I drop 'em in a bucket of Tri-Flow or Super Oil for day or two.
Take 'em out...a little lacquer thinner & Prepsol on the shiny parts and finger tops and youre ready to roll. |
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Billy Knowles
From:
Kenansville, N. C. 28349 usa
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Posted 16 Apr 2013 8:02 pm today
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| was at the factory today and Ron still used White Lithium for the changers |
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Mike Cass
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Posted 16 Apr 2013 8:31 pm
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hey Billy, thanks so much for that info! I'll be sure to re-adopt that method then.....wanna keep it factory you know 
btw, I see that like me you're using Bud's Polishing here in Nashville....glad you got around to giving him your business. We need to keep him going. Its tough to find people who actually know what these parts are supposed to look like.
MC
Everything Emmons...since 1987. |
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