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Topic: changing from E9 to Ext E9 or Uni? |
Cody Russell
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Arkansas, now in Denver
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Posted 25 Mar 2013 11:07 am |
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I'm in the market for a new guitar and considering an Extended E9 or uni. Can anyone talk about this transition? I'm pretty handy with my E9 these days and getting good gigs and can't really afford too much of a learning curve but I think I'd like more options than my 3 and 4(at least in the near future). Thanks
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Clete Ritta
From:
San Antonio, Texas
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Posted 25 Mar 2013 1:18 pm
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You would probably adjust quickly to the extended tuning, since its just 2 more lower strings and maybe an extra pedal.
The universal may take longer to adjust to, especially if you are used to E lowers on the left leg. The E lower is often placed on the right side in a Uni configuration. There are 4 new pedals to learn for the B6 changes, and theres no low D on string 9 in the Uni tuning. It may take longer to adjust to, but it is capable of more changes overall.
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Cody Russell
From:
Arkansas, now in Denver
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Posted 25 Mar 2013 1:59 pm
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my RKL lowers my E now and I use it a lot to get my swing stuff. The missing D worries me though.
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Tony Glassman
From:
The Great Northwest
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Posted 25 Mar 2013 2:55 pm
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I tried switching over to a single 12 Universal about two years back. I Never really got comfortable with the two extra-bass strings and playing all the C6th stuff one fret up. After about a year I gave up and just went back to the D10. I guess you can't teach an old dog new tricks.
It's a great concept, just not for me. |
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Jim Pitman
From:
Waterbury Ctr. VT 05677 USA
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Posted 25 Mar 2013 4:14 pm
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You'll love the low E.
I'm a uni player and every time I consider getting a D10 I realize I couldn't be without a low E while playing in the 9 mode.
Now that the modern mechanisms can raise a step and a half, I think it's odd that low D remains in the E9 tuning at the expense of omitting the root down low. I use the D a lot but simply lever up to it on my uni.
If I got a D10 I'd tune the 10th string to E and the 9th string to B with a step and half on a lever to get it to D (like my uni). All the rest regular E9.
If you are worried you wont't adapt to a uni you might try that on your S10 and see what you think first.
BTW I have my Eb on RKL too. |
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Larry Allen
From:
Kapaa, Kauai,Hawaii
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Posted 25 Mar 2013 5:27 pm Ext E9
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You can put a low B and E on a 10 string, change a few rods around and get that Fat bottom,here's my copedant...easy to play anything, larry 
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Larry Bressington
From:
Nebraska
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Posted 25 Mar 2013 6:02 pm
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Nice set up larry...This is the way i'd go!!
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Larry Allen
From:
Kapaa, Kauai,Hawaii
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Posted 25 Mar 2013 6:54 pm Ext E9
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Larry, yes it gives me just about any chord and scale..I Play a lot of piano kinda rhythm on the bands, duos and trios I play on and the B, D on the bottom were incomplete sounding. Having played guitar most of my life I sure missed The low end. I Tried the12 string but really didn't get into it. It's is an easy setup to play  Larry
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John Russell
From:
Austin, Texas
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Posted 26 Mar 2013 7:47 am Universal: I say "go for it"
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I made the switch (to S12U) about 18 years ago and haven't regretted it. I'd been playing guitar for about 15 years before I started on PSG so I never liked the standard E9 tuning. I dropped the D and added the low E from the start, kept the rest of the standard E9. My current Uni setup has the E lowers on LKR and E to F on LKL. For dominant 7ths I raise my middle F# to G with my LKV plus the standard Universal double lower of the middle E to D (mine's on pedal 6). The first change gives me a 7th chord from the AB pedal position, the second is from the open position. It's great for R&B stuff but works for everything as well.
The hardest part going from 10 strings to 12 is positioning your right hand. You're trying to find the middle E and B notes in the middle of the tuning and they're now moved toward the front. Just think of the tuning from the front, not the middle. That pesky F# string is now in the middle. I got the hang of it in about the first week but some people never do. I can't say what's right for everyone, it just worked for me. If you've played a D-10 for years it may not be worth the hassle. |
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Peter den Hartogh
From:
Cape Town, South Africa
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Posted 27 Mar 2013 12:33 pm
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@Larry Allen...
I have a 5+5 E9th PSG, but your chart has 6 pedals.
Which one is the least important? Pedal 4,5 or 6? |
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Larry Allen
From:
Kapaa, Kauai,Hawaii
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Posted 27 Mar 2013 12:40 pm Ext E9
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Wow, probably the 4th. It gives me a full E chord, I use it as an ending chord mostly. The 5th is a Dom 7th with the tonic on the bottom or add RKR and get the 13th on the bottom. The 6th I use with my E's lowered for C6 sounds...Larry
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Micky Byrne
From:
United Kingdom (deceased)
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Posted 30 Mar 2013 4:00 am Re: Ext E9
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In 1981 I had a machinist over here make up the extra hard/ware to convert my S-12 Extended E9th Sho-Bud..... I bought that Sho-Bud in 1977. An hour after picking up my modified guitar with the missing "D" on the open tuning, i was at a club setting it up for a gig. It was quite a challenge trying to remember what pedals/knee levers did what!! Anyway I got through the gig ok, even playing a couple of instrumentals....sure there were mistakes played that night. I guess it was a "brain" work out more than anything else. I've stayed with universals to this very day..with my old '77 Sho-Bud and my 2000 Carter
Micky "scars" Byrne U.K. |
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 30 Mar 2013 5:07 am Re: changing from E9 to Ext E9 or Uni?
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| Cody Russell wrote: |
| I'm in the market for a new guitar and considering an Extended E9 or uni. Can anyone talk about this transition? I'm pretty handy with my E9 these days and getting good gigs and can't really afford too much of a learning curve but I think I'd like more options than my 3 and 4(at least in the near future). Thanks |
My advice would be to stick with what you already have. |
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Micky Byrne
From:
United Kingdom (deceased)
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Posted 30 Mar 2013 6:58 am Re: changing from E9 to Ext E9 or Uni?
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Cody, it's your perogative to go for something else if you want to . When I changed from a S-10 to a S-12 after 7 years on a S-10... it took a day to adapt, so not much of a learning curve at all, as you've read when I went from a S-12 "extended" to a "Universal".. I did it the very same day after collecting the modified guitar. A big learning curve would be in you getting a D-10 ...you have another tuning to learn, plus the weight, cost of strings etc etc etc. You obviously want a change as you've started this thread. You'll like the lower notes in either and "Extended" or a "Universal"
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Larry Allen
From:
Kapaa, Kauai,Hawaii
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Posted 31 Mar 2013 12:17 pm Ext E9
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I was contacted by several members to post some chords for my copedant...here's a few, Larry
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Joe Miraglia
From:
Jamestown N.Y.
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Posted 2 Apr 2013 7:50 am
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This is my Extened E9th. copedant
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