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Topic: Emmons Push Pull Keyless |
Dan Burnham
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Posted 13 Mar 2013 7:27 pm |
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In a conversation I had with Ron Lashley Jr. many years ago at one of the steel shows he told me that his dad had made one 10 string and one 12 string keyless Emmons Push Pull. I was wondering if any of you Push Pull fans had a picture of these guitars. Seeing that there was only 2 made, can you imagine how much they would be worth now 
If you have a picture of these guitars would you please share it,
Thanks,
Dan
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Doug Palmer
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Greensboro, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 14 Mar 2013 4:20 am Keyless Emmons
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Dan, when I worked for Emmons I saw a D-10 Keyless guitar at the shop. I don't know what happened to it. Big Ron was always playing with new ideas, but this was about the time we built the first LeGrande and the Push-Pull was on the way out. We also built a couple of Emmons Bass guitars. Ron bought all of the Grammer Guitar designs and planned on putting out an Emmons Acoustic guitar, but never did. Had he lived long enough I'm sure we would have a Midi Steel too.
Doug
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Dan Burnham
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Greenfield, Tennessee
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Posted 14 Mar 2013 4:28 am Pretty Cool
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Doug,
Thanks for the info, a D10 Keyless and an Emmons Bass. WOW
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Jerry Jones
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Franklin, Tenn.
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Posted 14 Mar 2013 6:16 am
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Not to drift here, but that's curious about Grammer Guitars. I see that Davitt & Hanser Music Co applied for a trademark in 1997 and subsequently abandoned their effort. The mark is currently registered to Billy Grammer as of 2005, but no new Grammer guitars that I'm aware of?
Link added: http://www.grammerguitar.net/history.html
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Mike Wheeler
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Delaware, Ohio, USA
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Posted 14 Mar 2013 6:23 am
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Buying the designs and buying the name are two different things, Jerry. I wouldn't think Ron would want to use the Grammer name on his guitars.
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Jerry Jones
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Franklin, Tenn.
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Posted 14 Mar 2013 6:27 am
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I think you will find that "trade dress" usually follows the "trademark"....at least that's been my experience.  |
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Marvin Born
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 14 Mar 2013 6:57 am
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Lonestar, built by Jim Flynn, was showing a keyless push pull at the Dallas Steel Show. Its a S10, 3X4 and about 29" long. Weight is 26 pounds in the case.
This one has a reversing cross shaft to operate the PP changer, from the "all pull" under carrage. |
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steve takacs
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beijing, china via pittsburgh (deceased)
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Posted 14 Mar 2013 8:18 am Nick Reed, where are you?
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I hope Nick Reed sees this..... he won't believe his eyes.  stevet |
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Dan Burnham
From:
Greenfield, Tennessee
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Posted 14 Mar 2013 6:36 pm We Offer a Push Pull As Well
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Marvin,
Zane Beck built our first Push Pull around 1973. What is cool about it is it has a double changer one on each end. One end pushes and one end pulls. I took it to Dallas this year. We don't get a lot of request for them but they are my favorite steel. I have a BMI S12 PP and a D10 PP love them both.
Jim is a great guy and builds a great guitar,
Dan
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Marvin Born
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 14 Mar 2013 8:03 pm
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I missed your PushPull in Dallas, I wish I would have seen it.
I usually play a double neck. So it will take some time getting used to the S-10 and the closeness of the knee levers. It sounds very much like a push pull, but somewhat more mellow, (like a mahogany body Emmons PP.) Alumatone pickup.
Since it has double rollers on the keyhead end, it also has some keyless characteristics, such as when you raise your fingers behind the bar at fret 12, no ringing.
I did fly it home in the overhead bin of a MD-80 with the legs in the check luggage. No TSA or airline issues, and it fit in the bin nicely. |
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Johnie King
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Tennessee, USA
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Posted 29 Aug 2021 11:09 am
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Here's one I built with a Emmons 3 over two all pull changer
Yes keyless an sounded like a Emmons.
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Mike DiAlesandro
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Kent, Ohio
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Posted 29 Aug 2021 11:43 am
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| Johnie King wrote: |
Here's one I built with a Emmons 3 over two all pull changer
Yes keyless an sounded like a Emmons.
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Nice guitar Johnie! I'm guessing 24" scale with that Bud fretboard.
Any reason you didn't go with a 24 1/4" scale, seeing how it's got an Emmons changer? |
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Johnie King
From:
Tennessee, USA
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Posted 29 Aug 2021 12:53 pm
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| Yes Mike your correct 24 inch scale. |
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 29 Aug 2021 1:13 pm Re: Emmons Push Pull Keyless
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| Dan Burnham wrote: |
| In a conversation I had with Ron Lashley Jr. many years ago at one of the steel shows he told me that his dad had made one 10 string and one 12 string keyless Emmons Push Pull. I was wondering if any of you Push Pull fans had a picture of these guitars. Seeing that there was only 2 made, can you imagine how much they would be worth now... |
I'd guess their worth would not be that much above a normal push/pull, as keyless guitars still seem to be far less popular than the keyed versions. Also, its not rarity, but rather demand that drives an items worth. Only when lots of people want a rare item does the value of that item escalate considerably. For example, I own a pre-civil war Martin parlor guitar that is probably one of the finest examples in existence. But it's value is a small fraction of what a 1940 D-28 Martin guitar is worth. Why? Because there is very little demand for antique parlor guitars. |
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Chris Lucker
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Los Angeles, California USA
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Posted 29 Aug 2021 2:15 pm
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| Johnie King wrote: |
Here's one I built with a Emmons 3 over two all pull changer
Yes keyless an sounded like a Emmons. |
What is it about your guitar that gives it the Emmons sound , as you say? The shorter scale? The lack of cast parts? The brass nut? The different pickup mounting? The use of pieced together aluminum stock rather than castings? The keyless changer?
Just to be clear, to you, does every guitar sound like an Emmons?
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Johnie King
From:
Tennessee, USA
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Posted 29 Aug 2021 5:13 pm
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CHRIS (captain know it all) LUCKER
I'll be sure an consult with you first on my next build. Maybe you could cast me some good End plates a neck an key head. An give me some more Emmons knowledge an secrets. MAYBE YOU COULD EVEN TELL ME THE SCALE LENTH OF A EMMONS.
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Johnie King
From:
Tennessee, USA
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Posted 29 Aug 2021 6:17 pm
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Mr Emmons got good tone no matter the brand steel he played.
An so do many other pro players even Doug Paul , loyd, Tommy,Buck, an Tom an many others just to name a few.
You don't need a Emmons for good tone it's the Indian not the arrow "!!!
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Johnie King
From:
Tennessee, USA
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Posted 29 Aug 2021 6:44 pm
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Chris LUCKER here's another steel for you too pick apart.
Another push pull all pull keyless yes this one has some Emmons tone too.
| Marvin Born wrote: |
Lonestar, built by Jim Flynn, was showing a keyless push pull at the Dallas Steel Show. Its a S10, 3X4 and about 29" long. Weight is 26 pounds in the case.
This one has a reversing cross shaft to operate the PP changer, from the "all pull" under carrage. |
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Johnie King
From:
Tennessee, USA
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Posted 29 Aug 2021 7:09 pm
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| Thank you Mike. |
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Chris Lucker
From:
Los Angeles, California USA
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Posted 30 Aug 2021 1:59 am
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So Johnnie, if I understand your point, do you have some clips of Buddy Emmons playing the guitar? Is that why you are saying it sounds like an Emmons?
Your post proclaimed the guitar sounded like an Emmons guitar, not that Buddy Emmons made it sound like Buddy Emmons.
I apologize for my confusion.
I am looking forward to the clip of BE playing it.
Also, please use spellcheck. It is hard to understand what you write.
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Chris Lucker
Red Bellies, Bigsbys and a lot of other guitars. |
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Johnie King
From:
Tennessee, USA
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Posted 30 Aug 2021 3:27 am
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| Chris Lucker wrote: |
So Johnnie, if I understand your point, do you have some clips of Buddy Emmons playing the guitar? Is that why you are saying it sounds like an Emmons?
Your post proclaimed the guitar sounded like an Emmons guitar, not that Buddy Emmons made it sound like Buddy Emmons.
I apologize for my confusion.
I am looking forward to the clip of BE playing it.
Also, please use spellcheck. It is hard to understand what you write. |
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Scott Moon
From:
Canyon Lake, TX
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Posted 31 Aug 2021 1:23 pm
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Johnnie
Perhaps you should extend an invitation to Chris to come to your shop and bring an Emmons guitar and do a side by side comparison and video it...then you can post him playing both for all to judge the tone of each.
Scott |
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Chris Lucker
From:
Los Angeles, California USA
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Posted 31 Aug 2021 2:04 pm
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Send a ticket.
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Chris Lucker
Red Bellies, Bigsbys and a lot of other guitars. |
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Chris Lucker
From:
Los Angeles, California USA
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Posted 1 Sep 2021 12:46 am
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Johnny let’s coordinate schedules.
I have had my jambon beurre. Send that plane you boast about having.
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Chris Lucker
Red Bellies, Bigsbys and a lot of other guitars. |
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Chris Lucker
From:
Los Angeles, California USA
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Posted 1 Sep 2021 8:32 am
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Johnny, you know how to use a dictionary?
Please stop deflecting. I had a serious question and you have been avoiding it. What elements in that guitar make it sound like an Emmons? Because, I cannot imagine how it could. Enlighten me.
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Chris Lucker
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