Trying Jeff's "442.5" tuning...

Jerry Kippola · From: UP Michigan, USA

This one works---

Marco Schouten · From: Amsterdam, The Netherlands

I think not one chart will work for every guitar, different guitars have a different amount of cabinet drop, which will slightly affect the needed compensation.
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Jerry Kippola · From: UP Michigan, USA

It is the best starting point i know of. No chart= all

Dickie Whitley · Posted 23 Feb 2013 12:09 pm

Larry Ray Miller · From: Elizabethton, Tennessee, USA

I have tried Emmon's tuning, Newman' tuning and straight up tuning on my MSA. Newman's tuning sounds the best to me. I hope this helps you.
Larry
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Jack Stoner · From: Kansas City, MO

I had used the Newman settings (with slight modificatons) at 440 for about 30 years. I had tried the 442.5 and just didn't like it and my guitar sounded out of tune. I had a Peterson Strobe-O-Flip with the Newman tunings and it never sounded right.

I recently got a Sonic Research Turbo Tuner ST122a with the Newman settings at 442.5. I tried it and it is working out. I've used it for a couple of months and did a couple of recording sessions with the 442.5. I have to say I'm a new convert.

Bob Hickish · From: Port Ludlow, Washington, USA, R.I.P.

I first used it when I saw it in Tom Bradshaw’s SG magazine - it made all the difference in the world on my old Fender -- however -- a couple slight changes i make to suit my guitar -or- what I want to hear out of it -- IMO - good chart

Larry Bressington · From: Nebraska

I round my numbers off to the nearest digit. I think between the overall tuning including pedals and knee's, i use 442, 440 and ...438 on the E's raise lever.
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mike nolan · From: Forest Hills, NY USA

Looks OK, but you might find the G at 441.5 a little flat..... You'll see.

Jack Stoner · From: Kansas City, MO

With the 442.5 Newman, I tune my E9th 6th string lowers, both the G and F# to +5.9 cents.

Len Amaral · From: Rehoboth,MA 02769

I used the Newman tuning as I play a U-12 and it seems fine to me. Then again, I attended a JN seminar in CT decades ago where Jeff commented and I'll paraphrase "a steel cuitar is never completely in tune" so I think he was saying that
his tuning 442 tuning gets a steel pretty close. Also, bar pressure, string gauge and placement of bar are an issue in the mix. This may be why some players use different tuning methods or tweek a certain tuning.

Just my 2 cents....

Lenny

Michael Hummel · From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

I use the Strobo-Tuner 122A with the Newman 442.5 program and I generally find it quite good. Sometimes the A pedal / F lever combination doesn't quite sound right, but that might just as well be my beginner technique. I know that combination needs a little adjustment of the bar, but it hasn't quite become second nature to me yet.

Mike
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Jerry Kippola · From: UP Michigan, USA

One item i've never heard discussion on is the effect of a bar on the stings vs open tuning, if the nut is uneven on any strings, the guitar will tune differently w/a bar on it. I've adjusted my Zum for this and it's had a positive effect--

Jim Pitman · From: Waterbury Ctr. VT 05677 USA

We PSG guys have the luxury of playing an instrument whereby chord changes can be tuned independently typically.
Yes, things like cabinet drop present a bit of a compromise, but generally we are so much better off than someone playing a piano for instance.
In a major triad, the thirds need to be flatted a bit (regardless of instrument) to sound right to my ear.
Long lived the "tempered" tuning. Dammit, I'm so happy I play pedal steel.

Ray Kedge · From: Middlesex, England

Have been reading the posts on tuning with great interest.I have to say that I have three guitars and have always tuned them via the Jeff Newman chart, however my Williams D10 has never to my ear sounded totally in tune so I thought I would tune evrything to 440 now this goes against all my previous beliefs on tuning, but it seems to work on this guitar why I don't know, it sounds in tune everywhere on the guitar even the E's to F which are normally tuned down to 433 on my other guitars now sound perfectly in tune at 440.so perhaps one tuning does not fit all. just my observation.
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Jack Stoner · From: Kansas City, MO

Ray, I had the exact same problem with an Emmons PP and my Franklin D-10 and the Newman 442.5. It never sounded right and when I would tune it relative to 440 everything seemed to fall in place, tune easy and sound right.

That was until I got the ST122a tuner with the Newman at 442.5 pre-programmed. It now sounds right, tunes up, etc.

Ray Kedge · From: Middlesex, England

Hi Jack,
Just tried the 442.5 tuning on the Williams and that works out fine as well,got a bit of cabinet drop on the E's with 440 across the board, but with 442.5 it holds up much better so may well stick with that.
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Fred Rushing · From: Odin, IL, USA

Jack. If the two tuners have the same presets built in them, How could one be sounding better to you than the other. Would not the tuners master osc. be off frequency? How else could that happen?

Fred

Mike Perlowin · From: Los Angeles CA

I tried using the preset on the Peterson Strobe tuner and my steel sounded terribly out of tune to me. I don't know whether or not it was Jeff's tuning, but I felt it didn't work.

I tune my Es, F#s, and As to 440, my Bs to 439, my G#s and E raises and lowers to 437. The compensators lower the F#s to 437.
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Jim Pitman · From: Waterbury Ctr. VT 05677 USA

Since getting a new pedal steel guitar, Infinity S12U, I've realized that tuning offsets are particular to the guitar and, are dependent on the amount of cabinet drop.
The new guitar has less and I quickly realized I have to throw out my old tuning chart.

Gordon Hartin · From: Durham, NC

Jeff's settings worked great on my Sho-Buds, but not at all on my Rains.

GH

James M Peters · From: Chambersburg, Pennsylvania, USA

Could someone please explain cabinet drop to me, and how to determine how much drop a steel may have.

Thanks you,

Jim
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Lane Gray · From: Topeka, KS

It's when the force of the pedals (most often the A) raising their strings stresses the cabinet, causing other strings (most notably the 6th) to go flat. Most do it audibly, but not horribly. Some do it so subtly it takes a tuner to notice.
If you have more than 10 cents, I suspect there's something wrong with your guitar, such as loose screws
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Michael Hummel · From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Hey! I just looked in my pocket and I have more than ten cents. Does that mean I have loose screws?

Laughing

Mike
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