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Duncan Hodge


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Post  Posted 23 Apr 2013 4:29 pm    
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I just found this alternate take on Last Lonely Eagle with Jerry Garcia playing steel.
Please enjoy, or not, whichever way your pleasure tends.
Have a beautiful night, Duncan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IruegBOCxE
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Bob Carlucci

 

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Post  Posted 23 Apr 2013 6:07 pm    
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I DID enjoy it Duncan.. Whats not to enjoy?.. The music I love....
Never heard that alternate version.. It was a little disjointed, and not as tight as the version thats on the album, but still very cool nonetheless..bob
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Ray Montee


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Post  Posted 23 Apr 2013 6:40 pm     Oooooh Laaaaw Laaaa!
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Finally, after all of these years I've finally got to hear the fabulous, melodious sounds of the Great, the one and only Jerry Garcia.

Such tone, such technique, such creativity!

Never before have I heard anything that quite measures up to it.

You can even hear some of the JERRY BYRD flavorings from those few lessons he was inspired to take while in Hawaii.

Great clip! Thanks for sharing.
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Kevin Hatton

 

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Post  Posted 23 Apr 2013 7:46 pm    
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Here we go with Jerry Byrd again.
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Pete Burak

 

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Post  Posted 24 Apr 2013 7:04 am    
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Thanks for the clip.
I'd take Garcia over Byrd any day, myself.
I know Byrd's a better non-pedal player than Garcia, but that Bass-ee tone all the time makes me want to go over to his amp and fix it for him. Also, I just don't relate to most of the songs he played on. A generational thing, I guess.
I do love them Hippie Chicks at the Jerry Garcia Fan Club meetings, though!
... what's that smell???
Laughing

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Here's a YouTube of my fave Jerry Garcia Pedal Steel song, The Wheel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYGatU18PMQ
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Chris Walke

 

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Post  Posted 24 Apr 2013 12:40 pm    
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Pete Burak wrote:
Thanks for the clip.
I'd take Garcia over Byrd any day, myself.
I know Byrd's a better non-pedal player than Garcia, but that Bass-ee tone all the time makes me want to go over to his amp and fix it for him. Also, I just don't relate to most of the songs he played on. A generational thing, I guess.
I do love them Hippie Chicks at the Jerry Garcia Fan Club meetings, though!
... what's that smell???
Laughing

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Here's a YouTube of my fave Jerry Garcia Pedal Steel song, The Wheel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYGatU18PMQ


Yeah, Jerry Byrd recordings tend to make me sleepy, unless it's a recording of one of those Hawaiian "marches." Great for taking a nap on a warm summer day, but....
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Bob Carlucci

 

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Post  Posted 24 Apr 2013 4:55 pm     Re: Oooooh Laaaaw Laaaa!
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Ray Montee wrote:
Finally, after all of these years I've finally got to hear the fabulous, melodious sounds of the Great, the one and only Jerry Garcia.

Such tone, such technique, such creativity!

Never before have I heard anything that quite measures up to it.

You can even hear some of the JERRY BYRD flavorings from those few lessons he was inspired to take while in Hawaii.

Great clip! Thanks for sharing.



Tell you what Ray.. I can tell your reply was written with sarcasm and a bit of derision.. No problem.. I can relate.. I feel the same way about the playing of Byrd.. Puts me to sleep.. Here's Jerry's best known piece and its a stroke of genius... No steel player on earth could have played a better steel part for this particular song.. More technically advanced?/ yes of course.. "better"?.. no way...
Here's Jerry at his best..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_hYdywoV_Q


If you don't like it we can just agree to disagree... However most steel players like Jerry's steel playing... Some don't and I must respect that opinion, but remember this- Jerry's steel discography is stunning, and most "studio guys" would take pride in the amount of top artists he recorded with.. So if you don't like his playing no problem.. However, lots and lots of supremely talented people that could afford any steel player of the day chose Jerry Garcia.. Just something to think about... bob
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Dave Hopping


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Post  Posted 24 Apr 2013 5:59 pm    
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To give Jerry his due,he could come up with some cool stuff once in awhile,but his steel playing is technically at the same level as the six-string work of another California guitarist-Bob Berryhill.You might not recognize the name but everyone has heard Bob play "Wipe Out".


I think it's telling that the New Riders brought Buddy Cage aboard when they grew beyond a Garcia side project.I think it's equally significant that when Steve Stills decided to make "Someday Soon" with Judy Collins,he hired Buddy Emmons and James Burton to do the track-and got one of the best straight-country tunes ever.


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Bo Legg


Post  Posted 24 Apr 2013 5:59 pm    
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Well comparing Jerry Byrd to Jerry Garcia is like comparing a steel player to a guitar player.
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Stuart Legg


Post  Posted 24 Apr 2013 6:31 pm    
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There ought to be a sticky that says if you post a topic that mentions Jerry Garcia it has to have a Trolling disclaimer and in fairness have at least one sarcastic reply and one reply from a non-sarcastic person with the usual poor judgment to balance it out before b0b locks it.

I had to cut that sentence a little short I was afraid it wouldn't flush.
Don't try it. It's going to leave skid marks.
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Kevin Hatton

 

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Post  Posted 24 Apr 2013 9:00 pm    
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Actually it Garcia who recomended Cage to the New Riders. Garcia was very humble and realistic about his technical ability.
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Bill L. Wilson


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Post  Posted 24 Apr 2013 9:24 pm     Jerrys pickin'
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I still love the steel on Teach Your Children, but Jerry wasn't much of a steel player. What I gather from listening to his pickin', is he was just learning the basic country licks that we all started out with. And when you first hit some of those licks, it's exciting, and you think you've got it mastered. Then reality sets in, you hear Buddy, Weldon, Jimmy, Curly, Tom, Paul, and figure out, this is gonna take awhile. I not familiar with Jerry Byrd, but I know he was a great player, and left Nashville to pursue Hawaiian Music. I started out on lap steel, but pedals are what I love.
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Douglas Schuch


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Post  Posted 24 Apr 2013 10:04 pm    
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We also need to remember that Jerry was probably performing with a level of chemicals in his system that would prevent most from even standing on their own. Uh oh, Stuart, I think we just exceeded the allowed number of sarcastic comments!

Doug (who likes Garcia).
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Chris Templeton


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Post  Posted 25 Apr 2013 4:16 am    
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Jerry Byrd had bar control that was unbelievable!. No BSing there. Always in tune.
That's the beauty of the non-pedal playing, Always connected and no overuse of the AB pedals until the next idea comes along.
Buddy has the same approach to pedal playing. His use of pedals/knee levers gives him tuning options to "launch" from.
Buddy spoke often about the corrective process and at least knowing that something isn't working and being able to make changes accordingly.
Tuning and vibrato are at the top of my list as far as importance.
Jerry Garcia was one player's playing that attracted me to steel guitar and that he stopped by Scotty's, back in the day.
Jerry probably did numerous takes for "Teach". I'm grateful that he contributed so well for that song and attracted many potential players to the instrument.
One also has to remember that the availability of steel material wasn't like it is today.
Scotty, Tom Bradshaw and Winnie Winston were great resources for me starting
out.
That was also a time when one could find many venues that had live music Tuesday- Saturday. and bands were generous at allowing sit-ins.
Today, not so much.
I wonder what Jerry G. would have come up with if he had just played steel?
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David Nugent

 

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Post  Posted 25 Apr 2013 4:55 am    
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Technique aside, what to me is noteworthy concerning not only his steel playing but his banjo playing as well was his ability to master fingerstyle playing lacking the use of the middle finger of his right hand (note his right hand position in the video). People who have the will and tenacity to overcome problems such as this and learn to play in spite of them have my utmost respect. Seem to recall a 5 string banjo player who worked with the group, 'Doyle Lawson and Quicksilver'. He possessed no fingers on his left hand and still managed to execute some fairly impressive licks.
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Chris Templeton


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Post  Posted 25 Apr 2013 5:39 am    
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David- Yes, Jerry also plays some great banjo on the "Old and in the way" recordings.
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Barry Blackwood


Post  Posted 25 Apr 2013 7:57 am    
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Here we go with Jerry Byrd again.

No, here we go with Jerry Garcia again. Byrd was one of the great masters of the instrument, a title few can lay claim to. Although his repertoire might induce drowsiness in some, his playing was generally impeccable. Garcia and Byrd both laid hands on a steel guitar but the results were incomparable.
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Chris Templeton


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Post  Posted 25 Apr 2013 8:44 am    
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Also, Garcia & Byrd played their music for different audiences.
My visit to a Pearl Harbor memorial, on Oahu, with Jerry Byrd, Scotty and a bunch of steelers from Jerry Byrd's era, really brought this home, for me.
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Daniel Morris


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Post  Posted 25 Apr 2013 10:11 am    
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Geez..... can we not appreciate both Jerrys - Byrd AND Garcia?!

My first - and only one-on-one - steel teacher detested pedals. From him I learned a great deal, and will always acknowledge as much. I had originally contacted a local music shop to learn pedal steel guitar, but to this day - over 40 yrs. later - I'm glad I started learning from a Hawaiian lap steel guitarist.

All this does not mean I decided to avoid pedals. Or effects pedals. Who said it: Pedal steel guitar is an instrument, not a style?

Ray, we're not goin' back to the '30s or '40s.
All y'all Garcia fans, you need to recognize supreme talent, even if the style isn't your cup of tea.
Still amazes me that so many players on this Forum can't at least recognize or appreciate our instrument for all it can do.
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Ian

 

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Post  Posted 25 Apr 2013 10:27 am    
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Barry,

I believe Kevin's assessment is correct. The subject was an audio clip of Jerry Garcia playing pedal steel. As we've gleaned from numerous posts, Mr. Montee is a Jerry Byrd enthusiast - and for good reason. Not sure why he found it necessary to bring him up.

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Dave Hopping


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Post  Posted 25 Apr 2013 11:49 am    
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Much of the controversy surrounding Jerry stems from the behavioral and chemical mindset of the milieu from which he and his various bands arose.That mindset was and is less than popular amongst the segment of America whose music is the chief employer of steel guitar players.
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Daniel Morris


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Post  Posted 25 Apr 2013 12:06 pm    
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Dave, you have a point, but I would submit that even if Jerry Garcia had been a tee-totaler, his playing would not satisfy some folks here. I haven't heard anything concerning Daniel Lanois and substance abuse, yet his playing still comes under fire. Like Garcia, he's not a technician, nor does he play intricate lines, nor does he have the finesse of Byrd. Yet like Garcia, his obvious love of pedal steel's sound has been put to good use, and I count myself among those whose ears perked up when I heard both of their admittedly simple but tasteful steel on the radio. I wouldn't put Ron Wood's or Toy Caldwell's playing in the same league, as both of them - while still putting steel on the "rock" map - were not even always in tune.
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Chris Templeton


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Post  Posted 25 Apr 2013 12:07 pm    
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..And the there is Rusty Young. Especially "A Good Feeling To Know"
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Daniel Morris


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Post  Posted 25 Apr 2013 1:21 pm    
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I don't think Rusty Young would get lumped in with Jerry Garcia, Chris. Rusty is a very fine pedal steel guitarist; I can recall a review many years ago contrasting him to John Call.
The reviewer (disparagingly) mentioned the "ostentatious display of pedal steel mastery" of Rusty Young in Poco, as opposed to Call's (apparently more modest) playing on the first Pure Prairie League album.
While Rusty's work with Poco of late involves much less steel, he still shows he's no piker when he plays pedal steel on IN THE HEART OF THE NIGHT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN7y1Qys2f4
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chris ivey


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Post  Posted 25 Apr 2013 5:04 pm    
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rusty was much more influential to me than call. his attack and sustain and beauty-of-note was what i liked. call's tone was flatter and less blending.
rusty is very soulfull. lots of the earlier poco material would put you in a deep trance. that clip you just p0osted reminded me of it. thanx.
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