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Topic: 4th Pedal or Franklin Pedal |
Jeff Donnell
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Texas, USA
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Posted 12 Jul 2024 8:04 am |
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I just got my new Rittenberry steel a couple days ago and getting it set up.
I had Derek install the 4th pedal but I’m not sure what the tuning is for that pedal. I use Emmons copedent.
My other steel didn’t have a 4th pedal ,but it was a 92’ Mullen. I don’t know anything about the 4th pedal,but if someone can help me.I’ll try to figure it out.
Not even sure which strings are effected because when I built the guitar and set it upright.that pedal is on the floor…..so I know I need to raise it up first.
Looking forward to getting some help.
Thanks,
Jeff D.
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Chris Brooks
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Providence, Rhode Island
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Posted 12 Jul 2024 8:15 am
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Jeff, I think that the Franklin pedal should raise #1 a whole tone; and raise #2 a semitone--so with the pedal engaged, strings 1 and 2 are unison with 3 and 4.
Is this right, you other steelers? |
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 12 Jul 2024 8:31 am
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It lowers 5 & 6 to A and F# respectively. Optionally it also lowers 10 to A. Franklin invented it to trade licks with piano players. I have no use for it.
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Bill McCloskey
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Posted 12 Jul 2024 9:12 am
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Franklin's copedent
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 12 Jul 2024 9:50 am
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| Chris Brooks wrote: |
Jeff, I think that the Franklin pedal should raise #1 a whole tone; and raise #2 a semitone--so with the pedal engaged, strings 1 and 2 are unison with 3 and 4.
Is this right, you other steelers? |
Nope. Those changes are normally on a knee lever. Some, like Tommy White, have it on pedal 4. I'm toying with the idea of moving the first and second string raises to pedal 4.
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Jerry Overstreet
From:
Louisville Ky
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Posted 12 Jul 2024 10:52 am
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mtulbert
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Plano, Texas 75023
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Posted 12 Jul 2024 11:11 am
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Sent you a pm
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John Hyland
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South Australia
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Posted 12 Jul 2024 1:46 pm
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| Richard Sinkler wrote: |
| Chris Brooks wrote: |
Jeff, I think that the Franklin pedal should raise #1 a whole tone; and raise #2 a semitone--so with the pedal engaged, strings 1 and 2 are unison with 3 and 4.
Is this right, you other steelers? |
Nope. Those changes are normally on a knee lever. Some, like Tommy White, have it on pedal 4. I'm toying with the idea of moving the first and second string raises to pedal 4. |
What would the purpose of this change be. ? |
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Bill McCloskey
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Posted 12 Jul 2024 2:28 pm
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Last edited by Bill McCloskey on 12 Jul 2024 8:06 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 12 Jul 2024 5:01 pm
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| John Hyland wrote: |
| Richard Sinkler wrote: |
| Chris Brooks wrote: |
Jeff, I think that the Franklin pedal should raise #1 a whole tone; and raise #2 a semitone--so with the pedal engaged, strings 1 and 2 are unison with 3 and 4.
Is this right, you other steelers? |
Nope. Those changes are normally on a knee lever. Some, like Tommy White, have it on pedal 4. I'm toying with the idea of moving the first and second string raises to pedal 4. |
What would the purpose of this change be. ? |
If you're asking why I would make the change, it's because I have 4 changes on my RKR, 3 on E9 and one on C6. The knee lever is a little hard to push and has a long travel. Moving the 1st and 2nd strings off that lever would make the lever a little more user friendly. Plus I can add a 2nd C6 change that I've wanted to add to that lever.
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Bobby D. Jones
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West Virginia, USA
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Posted 12 Jul 2024 8:18 pm
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To thicken the pot. Here is another thing to consider.
When setting up a (4th pedal) on a steel. Some players want the Franklin pedal next to the A pedal so they can rock their foot from A pedal to Franklin pedal, Moving the 5th and 10th string from B to A to C#, Or B to C# to A, And the 6th string G# to F# with the Franklin pedal. Just rocking their foot.
On an Emmons set up guitar they make it a Zero/0 pedal.
On a Day set up guitar they make it the 4th pedal.
Just something to consider, When adding a Franklin pedal.
Good Luck on setup and Happy Steelin. |
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John Hyland
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South Australia
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Posted 13 Jul 2024 3:20 am
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| Richard Sinkler wrote: |
| John Hyland wrote: |
| Richard Sinkler wrote: |
| Chris Brooks wrote: |
Jeff, I think that the Franklin pedal should raise #1 a whole tone; and raise #2 a semitone--so with the pedal engaged, strings 1 and 2 are unison with 3 and 4.
Is this right, you other steelers? |
Nope. Those changes are normally on a knee lever. Some, like Tommy White, have it on pedal 4. I'm toying with the idea of moving the first and second string raises to pedal 4. |
What would the purpose of this change be. ? |
If you're asking why I would make the change, it's because I have 4 changes on my RKR, 3 on E9 and one on C6. The knee lever is a little hard to push and has a long travel. Moving the 1st and 2nd strings off that lever would make the lever a little more user friendly. Plus I can add a 2nd C6 change that I've wanted to add to that lever. |
Richard my query was more a musical query. What does duplicating notes already available achieve. |
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Jon Light
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 13 Jul 2024 4:31 am Re: 4th Pedal or Franklin Pedal
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| Jeff Donnell wrote: |
I just got my new Rittenberry steel a couple days ago and getting it set up.
I had Derek install the 4th pedal but I’m not sure what the tuning is for that pedal. I use Emmons copedent.
My other steel didn’t have a 4th pedal ,but it was a 92’ Mullen. I don’t know anything about the 4th pedal,but if someone can help me.I’ll try to figure it out.
Not even sure which strings are effected because when I built the guitar and set it upright.that pedal is on the floor…..so I know I need to raise it up first.
Looking forward to getting some help.
Thanks,
Jeff D. |
What I'm not understanding is....wouldn't asking Derek how he set up the 4th pedal get you the answer you need? Am I reading the question wrong? |
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Lee Baucum
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McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 13 Jul 2024 6:40 am Re: 4th Pedal or Franklin Pedal
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| Jon Light wrote: |
| Jeff Donnell wrote: |
I just got my new Rittenberry steel a couple days ago and getting it set up.
I had Derek install the 4th pedal but I’m not sure what the tuning is for that pedal. I use Emmons copedent.
My other steel didn’t have a 4th pedal ,but it was a 92’ Mullen. I don’t know anything about the 4th pedal,but if someone can help me.I’ll try to figure it out.
Not even sure which strings are effected because when I built the guitar and set it upright.that pedal is on the floor…..so I know I need to raise it up first.
Looking forward to getting some help.
Thanks,
Jeff D. |
What I'm not understanding is....wouldn't asking Derek how he set up the 4th pedal get you the answer you need? Am I reading the question wrong? |
I agree with Jon. I'm curious as to why "that pedal is on the floor", on a new guitar.
~Lee |
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Bob Carlucci
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Candor, New York, USA
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Posted 13 Jul 2024 11:07 am
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Its only my opinion, and I have nothing against the "Franklin Change" on pedal 4, but I personally would put the 1st string +1 and 2nd string +1/2 on that 4th pedal.. Its a lot more useful. The string 5and 6 down a full tone is cool and all, but most guys that put it on don't use it much at all.. I have had that change on several steels over the years, and like it a lot more split on 2 separate pedals/knees.... bob
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Tom Spaulding
From:
Tennessee, USA
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Posted 19 Jul 2024 5:19 am Paul Franklin Video: P4 Pedal Options
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P4 Pedal Options
Paul discusses his use of the change and Tommy White’s variation. |
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Derek Puckett
From:
Cookeville Tn
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Posted 18 Aug 2024 8:15 am
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| He finally contacted me his guitar 4th pedal is standard Franklin lowering 5-6-10 Bs to A g# to F# I have spoke with him if anyone has issues or need help with setup on our guitars they can contact me any time. Our number is my personal number if I don’t answer leave me a message and I’ll return your call. |
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Fred Treece
From:
California, USA
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Posted 18 Aug 2024 10:05 am
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| John Hyland wrote: |
| Richard Sinkler wrote: |
| Chris Brooks wrote: |
Jeff, I think that the Franklin pedal should raise #1 a whole tone; and raise #2 a semitone--so with the pedal engaged, strings 1 and 2 are unison with 3 and 4.
Is this right, you other steelers? |
Nope. Those changes are normally on a knee lever. Some, like Tommy White, have it on pedal 4. I'm toying with the idea of moving the first and second string raises to pedal 4. |
What would the purpose of this change be. ? |
One of many topic threads on this subject
https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=293270&sid=a4f4d7b95661359467c996f9b45bb7e5
Definitely check out Greg Cutshaw’s post in that thread.
I have that change on LKR, but I also raise string 7 F#>G#. I don’t understand putting it on a 0 or 4 pedal. Half of the utility for it is in AB pedals down position.
Put something else on your 4th pedal. B>Bb and a split to C with the A pedal works well for me. |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 18 Aug 2024 10:44 am
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| John Hyland wrote: |
| Richard Sinkler wrote: |
| John Hyland wrote: |
| Richard Sinkler wrote: |
| Chris Brooks wrote: |
Jeff, I think that the Franklin pedal should raise #1 a whole tone; and raise #2 a semitone--so with the pedal engaged, strings 1 and 2 are unison with 3 and 4.
Is this right, you other steelers? |
Nope. Those changes are normally on a knee lever. Some, like Tommy White, have it on pedal 4. I'm toying with the idea of moving the first and second string raises to pedal 4. |
What would the purpose of this change be. ? |
If you're asking why I would make the change, it's because I have 4 changes on my RKR, 3 on E9 and one on C6. The knee lever is a little hard to push and has a long travel. Moving the 1st and 2nd strings off that lever would make the lever a little more user friendly. Plus I can add a 2nd C6 change that I've wanted to add to that lever. |
Richard my query was more a musical query. What does duplicating notes already available achieve. |
It's not the notes, but what you can do with them. Licks, chord movement, etc. If we didn't want duplicate notes you wouldn't have the 2nd string lower to C# because you have a C# on string 5 with the A pedal, no 4th string lower to D# as you have a D# on string 2, No lower string 6 to F# because you have an F# on string 7, No E to F# on the C pedal as you have an F# on string 1. There's things you can do with a pedalled note that you can't do with an open tuned note.
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