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Topic: Important! Should Bob Get Paid? |
Steven Finley
From: California, USA
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Posted 9 Aug 2012 11:47 am
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When members use the SG Forum to raise funds for financial gain--business venture, not charity--should Bob get his usual percentage?
Example: the most recent project to do this, namely the Blue Jade recording project raised thousands of dollars.
$5. is a cheap price for membership, which if it were not for the Forum this project may not have reached, and exceeded, its dollar goal.
In all fairness, shouldn't Bob get his percentage for making this all possible?
SGF members: Fair users or opportunistic abusers? |
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Larry Bressington
From: Nebraska
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Posted 9 Aug 2012 12:17 pm
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A healthy donation would probably be nice to help his expenses for running this town. The answer is 'Yes'..How much, why, who, and i'm not familiar with a blue jade thing, and it is not my business, so i'd rather not say anything else, in this egg shelled building we love so much! _________________ A.K.A Chappy. |
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Nic du Toit
From: Milnerton, Cape, South Africa
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Posted 9 Aug 2012 1:02 pm
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SGF members: Fair users or opportunistic abusers? |
A bit of both.... Bob runs this site in a fairly autocratic (mostly fair) way, and he will speak up if and when he finds it neccessary. _________________ 1970 P/P Emmons D10 flatback 8x5, BJS Bar, J F picks, Peavey Session 500, Telonics pedal. Boss GX700 effects.
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Donny Hinson
From: Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 9 Aug 2012 1:23 pm
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Let's just say some people are more "money oriented".
I would think that anyone who gets substantial monetary benefit from the forum would, in kind, send b0b a little something...but everyone doesn't think "both ways" when it comes to money. They're more interested in bringing it in than they are handing it out.
That's just the way people are.
Edited to add the following:
I regret that Steve (Fish) took my remarks (above) personally. They were really meant more as a general observation relating to the many people who use the internet for nothing but generating a revenue stream. My apologies for any misunderstanding.
Last edited by Donny Hinson on 13 Aug 2012 7:46 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Fish
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Posted 9 Aug 2012 5:43 pm
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Hi everyone,
I posted this in the "Blue Jade Kickstarter" thread without having seen this new thread. Here's my post from an hour ago.
Steve Fishell
Steven,
In regards to your earlier post on page one of this thread, Cliffie Stone has, I'm sad to report, left this world for a better place.
Regarding Bob Lee and and this pedal steel project entitled "Blue Jade," thank you Steven for reminding me about the importance of manners.
Bobby and I spoke on the phone months ago about this project, long before it was announced. He has supported it 110% since the very beginning, and I would like to publicly thank him again right now for his invaluable help in getting it off the ground. Also, he and I have reached a satisfactory understanding about the profits from this album.
I'd like to state here and now that this project's profits will ALL be donated to a very worthy charitable cause. Kickstarter rules don't permit me to say where the money is going. I will make that announcement here on the forum - someday soon.
NO ONE is profiting from this album. Period.
AND, if you think there is going to be Kickstarter money left over with an $11,000 recording budget, then you've never produced a union master recording - in two different states.
I've been a member of this forum for many years and I love it, but when I started this album I didn't intend or expect that the SGF would be the sole source of its support. Kickstarter has been absolutely miraculous. To be honest, 90% of the support for this album has come from outside this forum. And this has been a good thing; it has proven that the world at large loves the pedal steel guitar enough to pledge towards such a project, a recording that no label would ever fund, I can assure you. Again I say, thank you to every forum member who has made a pledge thus far.
I hope this helps your understanding about where the heart of this project lies Steven. There is still time - before August 18th - for YOU to make a $10 pre-order pledge at Kickstarter.
respectfully,
Steve Fishell |
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Steven Finley
From: California, USA
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Posted 9 Aug 2012 6:34 pm Reply to Fish
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It is great to know that 90% of the funds for your project came from Forum members. It shows the support for our beloved instrument, the Steel Guitar.
The Suite Steel album on Electra, out of the 70's, was a classic album, which by the way, never recouped the recording costs. I sincerely hope your project will defy the odds.
Regarding your kind offer to purchase your CD, after it is out and I hear samples, I will decide if I wish to add it to my collection. |
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Richard Sinkler
From: aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 9 Aug 2012 6:42 pm
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It is great to know that 90% of the funds for your project came from Forum members |
Read again Finley. It says:
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To be honest, 90% of the support for this album has come from outside this forum |
I'm surprised this hasn't been shut down.. Bob really doesn't think he should be paid, or else he would charge us to use the forum. He has said many times he doesn't really like when people post stuff like this. If he is hurting for cash to run the forum, he usually will speak up. _________________ Carter D10 8p/8k, Dekley S10 3p/4k C6 setup,Regal RD40 Dobro, Recording King Professional Dobro, NV400, NV112,Ibanez Gio guitar, Epiphone SG Special (open D slide guitar) . Playing for 54 years and still counting. |
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Steven Finley
From: California, USA
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Posted 9 Aug 2012 8:50 pm
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Oops, shame on me. I read it wrong.
I guess the Forum members did not support the project as much as I thought. |
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Alvin Blaine
From: Picture Rocks, Arizona, USA
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Posted 9 Aug 2012 9:31 pm Re: Important! Should Bob Get Paid?
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Steven Finley wrote: |
When members use the SG Forum to raise funds for financial gain--business venture, not charity--should Bob get his usual percentage?
Example: the most recent project to do this, namely the Blue Jade recording project raised thousands of dollars.
$5. is a cheap price for membership, which if it were not for the Forum this project may not have reached, and exceeded, its dollar goal.
In all fairness, shouldn't Bob get his percentage for making this all possible?
SGF members: Fair users or opportunistic abusers? |
Your still not reading that this is a "not-for-profit" recording project. The money raised, so far, is just to cover studio cost and to get it started & print the 100+ copies for those who already made a pledge.
I don't see how you can call someone posting, on a steel guitar forum, about an album featuring legendary steel players, produced by a legendary steel player, that's dedicated to steel players, as being "opportunistic abusers"!!
In my mind I see the steel guitar community benefiting from a project like this, and can't even imagine questioning if someone should pay just to post about trying to raise money for a something like this.
Maybe that's why I'm just a poor broke musician, I don't spend all my time thinking about money and greed.
Steven Finley wrote: |
Oops, shame on me. I read it wrong.
I guess the Forum members did not support the project as much as I thought. |
I learned about the project on facebook, first, then saw it posted on three other forums before anyone even posted a word about it here.
For full disclosure, I grew up playing in a band with Stave Fishell's brother and sister, so I may be a little biased. However I feel that projects like this are beneficial for the steel guitar community, and if I owned a forum and someone posted about this, I would be the first to do anything and give anything to see this project, and any others like, would be successful. I WOULD NOT be standing there with my hand out on the back end of it. _________________ http://www.oldbluesound.com/about.htm
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CrowBear Schmitt
From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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Posted 10 Aug 2012 2:51 am
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i totally agree w: what Jim Palenscar wrote concerning this matter
i will leave it at that !
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I don't think that it's the business of anyone else here to police what goes on financially between any member and our trusted leader. |
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chris ivey
From: california (deceased)
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Posted 10 Aug 2012 7:34 am
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steven, i'm sure b0b would appreciate a huge donation from you. go for it! |
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Storm Rosson
From: Silver City, NM. USA
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Posted 11 Aug 2012 8:08 am
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Gotta go with Richard here, B0b is straight up ,if he needs support from us for running this carnival I'm sure he won't hesitate to let us know. Just as I'm quite sure all /any of us will/would not hesitate to chip in what we can individually afford...JMHO...Stormy |
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James Allison
From: California, USA
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Posted 11 Aug 2012 11:01 am
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I gotta go with Palenscar on this one... |
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James Allison
From: California, USA
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Posted 11 Aug 2012 11:01 am
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I gotta go with Palenscar on this one... |
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Roual Ranes
From: Atlanta, Texas, USA
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Posted 13 Aug 2012 6:49 pm
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Why should there be any question?
Of course he should be paid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Richard Sinkler
From: aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 13 Aug 2012 6:55 pm
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Why should there be any question?
Of course he should be paid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Shouldn't that be Bob's call, not yours or ours? _________________ Carter D10 8p/8k, Dekley S10 3p/4k C6 setup,Regal RD40 Dobro, Recording King Professional Dobro, NV400, NV112,Ibanez Gio guitar, Epiphone SG Special (open D slide guitar) . Playing for 54 years and still counting. |
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