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Topic: Zane King Rock' N On the Jackson 6 String |
Zane King
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Posted 9 Aug 2012 8:42 am |
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As promised in my last video here is the "bluesy/rock" side of what can be done on this 6 string Pedal Steel Guitar from Jackson.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWycQrWBLqQ
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Wally Taylor
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Hardin, Kentucky, USA
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Posted 9 Aug 2012 10:59 am
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Great job, Zane and finally a way to kinda look cool behind a "steel".  Looking forward to see how this thing progresses. |
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Zane King
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Nashville, TN
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Posted 9 Aug 2012 1:19 pm
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Thanks Wally! Probably over the top here on this demonstration for a lot steel guitar players but it just shows what all can be done with this simple little guitar.
ZK
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David Mason
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Cambridge, MD, USA
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Posted 9 Aug 2012 2:42 pm
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Still trying to figure out if spandex & pleather would be an improvement over the jammy bottoms. hmmmm... hmmmm... I would like to hear it dead-clean, slow, long-sustaining notes, maybe with a hint of reverb. The demos that start off at 99mph, then speed up... I think the largest market by far would not be for the steel as a hyper blues-rock machine, but what it can do for atmospherics.
Thanks to this thread ->
http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=208507
-> I became aware of the "Red Sparowes", who are one of dozens of instrumental bands who are sometimes classified as "post-rock", "atmospheric soundscape", all sorts of names. A short list would be Explosions in the Sky, Scale the Summit, Pelican, Tortoise. I hear bits of ECM Scandinavian jazz, psychedelia and krautrock, but the bands are from all over the world. And they like steel guitar. With Red Sparowes in particular, they'll set up some interlocking guitar figures, but it's usually the pedal steel that does the heavy lifting on the main theme.
Explosions in the Sky and Scale the Summit are Texas bands, "Hammock" is a Nashville duo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LuvSLRYEec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh7WPfmlzBA&feature=fvst
http://hammockmusic.com/ |
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Zane King
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Nashville, TN
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Posted 9 Aug 2012 2:59 pm
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Jammy bottoms? Not sure what you are implying but those are shorts. Also, not sure what any of your message implies but I will re-read it and check out the links.
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Wally Taylor
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Hardin, Kentucky, USA
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Posted 9 Aug 2012 3:03 pm
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Bill Hatcher
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Atlanta Ga. USA
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Zane King
From:
Nashville, TN
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Posted 10 Aug 2012 11:06 am
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Love that 6 stringer Bill! Mighty fine picking.
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David Mason
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Cambridge, MD, USA
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Posted 10 Aug 2012 1:10 pm
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Are these things going to be for sale? I see Jackson has a "Standard" for $1495 and a non-pedal for $3000? If you can bring that six-string in at the lower price... I have often thought If you look back at the large number of "rock star" guitarists who played pedal steel at home and non-pedal only on stage, it seems pretty clear that there was an opportunity missed. You had Steve Howe of Yes playing a Fender six on stage, and a Sho-Bud in his hotel room; Jimmy Page playing a ZB on records, and playing those parts (as best possible) with a slide onstage; David Gilmour of Pink Floyd playing another standup Fender on stage; Jerry Garcia giving UP steel because he knew he didn't have the time to learn it to the level of professionalism he demanded of himself (before the heroin, at least)  . The Rolling Stones had steel on a few albums, and then intermittently on stage, after Ron Wood came aboard, similar to Nils Lofgren with Bruce Stringsteen.
Yes
Pink Floyd
Led Zeppelin
Grateful Dead
Rolling Stones
Bruce Springsteen
Those 70's steel makers really boned it, huh?
It would be my guess that a conventional E9th steel, to an inexperienced player, would introduce a high level of clams onstage in a rock concert, specifically because of the chromatic strings, and the tight spacing of the other strings. But you're not going to sell a steel to a blues-rock guitarist with the understanding if he practices for six hours a day for a decade he will be able to play blues-rock licks (worse than you do); it's for all the other stuff steels do. If you bang together half-a-dozen, send one to "Premier Guitar" magazine and one to "Guitar Player" and one to "Vintage Guitar", they WILL review them. I don't think Steve Howe or Jimmy Page are too influential to the younger buyers, but if you "loan" one to Ben Harper, one to Derek Trucks and one to Dhani Harrison, whew, hold on to your hat.
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Justin Jacobson
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Rochester, MN
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Posted 10 Aug 2012 2:13 pm
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Dave I think you're spot on for the market for this type of thing. The musician who wants to add a little flavor to their set. So many people love the sound a steel makes and want to incorporate that sound. A six string version of a pedal steel would be right up their alley.
Side note, I'm glad you got introduced to the red sparrows and the whole post rock scene. So much great music sometimes gets lost in the shuffle.
Separate additional side note, I too would like to hear some cool atmospheric work from that machine.
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Zane King
From:
Nashville, TN
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Posted 10 Aug 2012 7:27 pm
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David M. - those are really great comments!! Thanks so much. Thought provoking to say the least. I am going to share this thread with David Jackson. This is exactly what we are thinking with the introduction of this instrument. Again, the one I have is just a prototype as regard to the 6 tuning setup. The whole look and structure of the guitar is going to "rock" if you know what I mean. Truly, the unveiling of this thing is yet to come.
Justin - thanks so much for your thoughts as well. RIGHT ON!!!
ZK
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Larry Bressington
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Nebraska
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Posted 10 Aug 2012 8:27 pm
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I play 'Rock chops' on a 6 string slide every night that i gig,[ just got done with a 4pm-6pm show] and let one rip... people love it and it drives them insane, it add's a lot of flavour and excitement to a night of music. There's even a few grannies that think i'm good  ... This thing will sell brother and it's another great addition to the Steel guitar family. Don't forget your tube screamer if your gonna rock it!
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Tony Dingus
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Kingsport, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 10 Aug 2012 8:55 pm
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Sounds good Zane. Is this the tuning you're using, high to low..E, B, G#, E, B, E ?
Tony |
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David Mason
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Cambridge, MD, USA
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Posted 11 Aug 2012 12:48 am
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I was thinking to ask that, and what the "pulls" do. And, open D and E should be interchangeable, with minor adjustment. Now, if I had one in
E
B
G#
E
B
E
I think I'd want one pedal to pull the upper B to a C#, another to pull the G# to an A.... and another to DROP both the G# to a G and the middle E to a D with a single pedal? This is where it could get tricky, because raising notes by stomping on things is intuitive, lowering them isn't - the fabled "Stop thinking like a guitarist" injunction.
As good as you are at pedal steel, you're going to have both "blocking" and "grips" hard-wired into your nervous system by now - but these are not actually normal skills that people are born with, or even necessarily develop in years of banging on guitars. With only six strings on a narrow neck, you can pretty much sorta mute out the undesired notes with your left hand alone, at least some of the time. Now GOOD electric guitars do have a disciplined right hand - but you want to sell it to all of them, right? So in designing the tunings and pulls, you may have to "think stupid" or at least kidnap a few furry guitar-only types and hook them to your machine. And if a bunch of wrong notes garble out, you have to fix the machine, not the furry ones. You want to just box their ears and say "BLOCK strings 2 and 5! Get a GRIP!" But that would be wrong, for they have no "grips."
It would also be handy if it could be reset, EASILY, to a starting tuning of
E (D)
C# (B)
A (G)
E (D)
A (G)
E (D)
And, as long as all that hardware is there - couldn't each pull be made to lock? So that if they wanted it to stay in
E
C# (pulled)
G#
E
B
E
it could? Instead of having to stand there with your foot on the pedal... and, they might even learn to like a 6th tuning.... (heh, heh, heh) |
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Zane King
From:
Nashville, TN
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Posted 13 Aug 2012 9:49 am
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David Mason - David Jackson would like to speak to you about your thoughts. Could you give him a call? Please email privately if possible.
Zane
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