C Pedal Depresses When Using D & F Lever

bob Ousby · From: Nevada, USA

When doing my E lowers and raises, I notice the C pedal automatically depresses. Is this normal or is something binding up? My psg is a Show Pro S10. Thanks for any help.

Lane Gray · From: Topeka, KS

Here's MY test as to whether you have a problem:
1) Are any changes overtuned? In other words, are both the raise and lower fingers back on the stop bar with no changes active? If so, that is a problem that can make this happen.
2) Does your D# or F lever cause a shift in the pitch of the 5th string? Then there is something catching or binding. Turn the guitar over, activate levers and pedals and find the culprit.
NOTE: in rare occasions, the guitar won't bind when upside down. My MSA U-12 is currently mocking me in this manner. I can't lower 5 when she's on her feet, but lay her belly up and she behaves fine.

If neither condition exists, it has no consequence. It is natural for some movement to occur, as the hole on the 4th string C pull rod is moving around the rod.

EDIT: Another benign cause comes from all pulls on that string will run through, or alongside all other bellcranks pulling on that string. Movement may well be benign, but movement with consequences is always bad.

If it needs attention, I'd recommend taking it to someone that'll do it in front of you and explain what s/he's doing: The way you ask the question makes me think that the underside of these things is a mystery to you. It'd be better if you took the mystery out even if you never want to touch an Allen wrench. Pull trains are simple.
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bob Ousby · From: Nevada, USA

Lane....Thank you for your notes. I've been at work and am now back home. I'll follow the rod movement "under the hood" more closely. At first I didn't spot anything suspicious underneath.

Richard Sinkler · From: aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana

On every guitar I have owned (7) this has been the case. When activating a lever or pedal on a string that has other pedals/levers, they will sometimes move too. They aren't activating and strings though, so it isn't an issue. I also see this happen when watching some others play. So, I would say it is normal unless the other pedals actuate their changes. Then there is a problem.
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bob Ousby · From: Nevada, USA

Thanks Richard...I couldn't find anything binding so I think it is as you say.

Jonathan Cullifer · From: Gallatin, TN

Just out of curiosity, does your C pedal raise your low E string?

Mine does on my guitars, and the F lever goes completely slack as a result. Nothing abnormal there.

The raise fingers move the lower fingers too, hence movement the other way too.

bob Ousby · From: Nevada, USA

Jonathan...My C raises no.4 string to F# & no.5 string to C#. That action functions OK. By "low E string" I presume you mean the no.8 string? When I depress the C pedal that has no effect on no.8. Let me know if I'm understanding you correctly.

Lane Gray · From: Topeka, KS

Most folks only raise 4&5, some raise 8 as well.
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Jonathan Cullifer · From: Gallatin, TN

Correct, I raise #8 with my C pedal. Without that raise, the #8 F lever raise holds the knee in place. Raising E to F# slackens both of the pulls that hold the F lever in place and it moves freely.

bob Ousby · From: Nevada, USA

I appreciate all the respones.

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